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| Quote: Wire_85 "Yeah right must have been seeing things with all the I hate Wire good luck Hudds thread before we went on to win the Challenge Cup.'"
Please don't treat what a handful of intellectual heavyweights might post about hatred etc, as representative of what the majority of Wigan fans feel. Just like i'm doing the same and not counting some of your 'star posters' as reflective of the average Warrington fan.
Let the haters on all sides just get at each other, they should go join some football forums if they want to enjoy a sport with some proper hatred between fans.
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "
A non-RL fan friend asked me, in the summer of 1974, whether I would like Warrington to sweep the board every year as they had that season. I told him 'no' as the good of the game requires trophies to be spread around. Although I didn't expect to wait another 35 years for a 'big one' , I remain convinced of the truth of this view, and that is why I so detest the so-called 'golden years' of Wigan
I think a sport is healthier when there is power at the top, like the NRL is booming at the moment, you have some teams rising and falling year on year but you have the power base dynasty of Melbourne which you know will be remembered as a great generation in years to come, same as Brisbane and Canberra in the 1990s. When you have a team which is clearly great, it sets a benchmark for the rest and creates a great buzz when there is a threat to their dominance, and when there is a changing of the guard.
Similar to cricket when there used to be the great West Indian team who everybody was afraid of, and if a team pushed the West Indies hard there was great interest as to whether this could finally be the time when they were toppled, as happened when the Aussies did it in 1995 and then spent the next decade as the dominant power themselves. Remember the whole excitement as England built up momentum during 2003-05 before the Ashes, and everybody knew the ultimate challenge would be "can they finally beat the unbeatable Aussies", hence why the Ashes win was so special.
The same could happen for us, if we keep improving under Tony Smith, and the next challenge will be can we finally topple the powerhouse of Saints, especially if it involves us putting them out of a playoff/Challenge Cup or a major final.
For me sports get weaker when there is no clear powerbase at the top of the game, and if Warrington could dominate Super League and hog trophies for the best part of a decade that would suit me down to the ground.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "snip.'"
I do agree there has to be a strong, dominant side purely to evolve the game. As you have stated, the NRL has Melbourne seemingly dominating the Finals, which requires other teams to improve beyond their levels to usurp them.
The only negative is if that team creates a stranglehold which effectively suffocates the competition, ie; The Ashes.
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| sally, I always think, even in a balanced capped world there will be teams more dominant than others. Whether that be through better cap management, a few phenominal juniors coming through at one time or the best coach being at your club it will always be the case (like melbourne).
Leeds are going to be so far ahead of the competition next year (on paper much stronger with Delaney and Eastwood imo) it'll be a few years before anyones truly on their standing. But the hard work was done ten years ago...we're going the right way, the culture of the club, juniors and whatnot but we've got quite the catch up to be done
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "Nothing against Warrington at all, it's good to see a Lancashire team doing well, i'd much rather that than the yarkshire lot dominating.
You're effectively revising history though, and it's been gone into many many times on our boards. To say we bought up players and didn't play them is untrue, please name all this talent we bought up and then didn't give games to just to stop them from playing for other teams.
As for the 'almost going bust because they spent too much on players' that's far from the whole truth and if you'd be objective for a moment you'd realise it, we ended up with a chairman who wasn't doing the best job financially and nobody else on the board in a position of strength to actually challenge him. There were several factors around our financial problems, not least of which was investing in a new stand that went millions over budget (loads of construction issues, mining subsidence etc) and dragged on and on for several seasons, also reducing the gate revenue that could have been earned during that period. And coupled with a 20 game 11 team season in 1995/1996, as opposed to a 30 game 16 team season for the two previous seasons, and a guy at the helm who to be brutally honest i wouldn't have given the management of my daughters dinner money to, and that's why we had problems.
Still don't let the facts of the matter cloud things, it's much easier to trot out the same old 'they bought players and didnt play them' 'they were the only full time team' and the 'they spent all their money on players and ended up in trouble'
Anyways, to the rest of Warrington, best of luck for next season and I look forward to you doing well.
peace.'"
You prove my point: in that period Wigan paid no attention to sensible matters like sound finance, they went crazy and it hurt everyone, ultimately even themselves. Blame it on the board, if you like, but it was the same board who sanctioned player wages and signings.
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| 'they bought players and didnt play them' well they did. As soon as a player started to shine in another team, they were flashing the dosh around, Offiah, Billy McGinty, tried to with Mike Greg. They ended up with a big squad and it could be argued that players were left more than if they had stayed at Widnes, Wire etc.
'they were the only full time team again, for a time they were
'they spent all their money on players and ended up in trouble' they did. They had to sell CP to survive, almost having to play at Bolton.]
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "The salary cap stops the sort of tactics Wigan used back then. Warrington signed maybe one significant player in the period, Andy Gregory, Wigan were doing their 'cherry and white picking' almost monthly. If it could run, pass or tackle better than average Wigan waved money at it until it signed for them.'"
Just like the current Warrington club then
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| Quote: Baked Bean Boogie "Just like the current Warrington club then'"
How does that work in the salary cap era?
Get ready for a Wigan fan taking irony to the extreme by suggesting Warrington are breaking teh salary cap.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "How does that work in the salary cap era?
Get ready for a Wigan fan taking irony to the extreme by suggesting Warrington are breaking teh salary cap.'"
He's not talking SC you've just paid Salford 300K (transfer fee) for a promising youngster haven't you?
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| Quote: Asgardian13 "You prove my point
Jesus mate you're like a dog with a bone, and you won't listen at all. Halifax, Gateshead, oh look under a salary cap. Seriously, if you'd remove what happened with the stand out of the equation then quite potentially we wouldn't have even ran into problems - so please stop the we went crazy and ultimately hurt ourselves, it just smacks of somebody who's really quite bitter about something from the past and has twisted it to the point where there can't be a debate any more.
If you'd actually have listened, if you've got a bad financial team in charge you have problems, cap or no cap, 'going crazy' or not 'going crazy'
I actually believe the salary cap isn't a bad thing (though you can debate the specific rules of operation)
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| Quote: Paul Youane "How does that work in the salary cap era?
Get ready for a Wigan fan taking irony to the extreme by suggesting Warrington are breaking teh salary cap.'"
but where have i said anything about breaking the cap?
the poster stated that "Wigan waved money at it until it signed for them"
which is exactly how you signed King and Carvell if i am not mistaken
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| Quote: TF and the wire "'they bought players and didnt play them' well they did. As soon as a player started to shine in another team, they were flashing the dosh around, Offiah, Billy McGinty, tried to with Mike Greg. They ended up with a big squad and it could be argued that players were left more than if they had stayed at Widnes, Wire etc.
'they were the only full time team again, for a time they were
'they spent all their money on players and ended up in trouble' they did. They had to sell CP to survive, almost having to play at Bolton.]'"
Right so the fallacies continue, Jesus get over it we bought Billy McGinty from you. We didn't play him? he had 2 good seasons for us - you'd had him from 1982 to 1992 and given him a total of 135 appearances.
Year 1 (1991-1992) 39 appearances 7 tries
Year 2 (1992-1993) 27 appearances 2 tries
If you want to be upset that we bought some players fine, that's ok, just please stop the actual lies that we bought players and deliberately didn't play them.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "Right so the fallacies continue, Jesus get over it we bought Billy McGinty from you. We didn't play him? he had 2 good seasons for us - you'd had him from 1982 to 1992 and given him a total of 135 appearances.
Year 1 (1991-1992) 39 appearances 7 tries
Year 2 (1992-1993) 27 appearances 2 tries
If you want to be upset that we bought some players fine, that's ok, just please stop the actual lies that we bought players and deliberately didn't play them.'"
Billy McGinty???....He wasn't exactly a big name at Wire, in fact it was only in his final season with Wire that he showed anything like his best. Before then he was a bit part player and I can clearly remember thinking 'What the f**k' when Wigan signed him, so I don't think it was a case of Wigan snapping up all the talent, otherwise Wigan would have took Mike Greg or Bob Jackson, who were head and shoulders above McGinty.
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| Wigan also "picked up" the likes of Neil Cowie and Martin Hall from Rochdale who were hardly superstars.
Henderson Gill had been shown the door at Bradford but Wigan gave him a chance after he was at Rochdale.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Billy McGinty???....He wasn't exactly a big name at Wire, in fact it was only in his final season with Wire that he showed anything like his best. Before then he was a bit part player and I can clearly remember thinking 'What the f**k' when Wigan signed him, so I don't think it was a case of Wigan snapping up all the talent, otherwise Wigan would have took Mike Greg or Bob Jackson, who were head and shoulders above McGinty.'"
Exactly right mate, which is why it's doubly ludicrous for somebody to use him as an example of Wigan having bought up players just to stop other teams from benefitting from them. McGinty was a bit player for you, and we bought him and gave him a far bigger playing role than he was having with you - not the paying him off just so he can't play for you that was suggested.
It's good to see some people remember what actually happened, rather than twisting it.
And just to make it crystal clear, i like Warrington and probably very few outside your own fans is as happy to see you coming back to prominance than as I am. Rugby League, and in particular the North West needs it's 3 biggest clubs (in the north west before any yarkshire boys get upset) to be up there challenging. I want to see big crowds and exciting atmosphere packed derbies like we've always enjoyed - it's also a great advert when it's on sky to see the stadiums packed out and full of passion.
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