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Quote: Hectors house " The great coach John monie said 5 yrs is long enough for a 1st team coach I think tony smith has reached his end imo'"


I fear Wayne Bennett may have an argument with the "great" Monie (you could've put Edd the Duck in charge of Wigan, in those days, and they'd still win more than they'd lose).

I've no problem with Smith, bar his ostrich impression, re our HB problems

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Loves sake we were ordinary last year. We will be ordinary this year. It is nothing to do with agar. Let's remember the guy that started this thread is an anti Tony Smith troll.

Being honest We have no leader, no lead kicker, and no back up kicker no creative half back no organising half back and no creative full back...that means we are loved.

We have a good enough squad and good enough coaching Set up to avoid the bottom four...but I'm not expecting any more than that.

2014 and 2015 are the years of no trophies and no finals I'll call these the Asotasi year's. .... icon_eek.gif

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Maybe Asotasi is the answer to our half back problem ? Ashton sims's drop off were our most potent attacking threat in the first 40

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I don't have an issue with TS, it's Agar I worry about. Someone is training them in the week, we don't have 'bad' players, but we are getting the basics wrong. My question is why?

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I blame TS squarely.
Agar is his puppet.

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It's this 'puppet' that is training them in the week.

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A puppet can't work without his masters hand up its backend!

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The point is that whoever is taking training, we need to start getting the basics right. Somewhere along the way we have lost sight of this.

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What was completely evident yesterday was there was zero structure of any sort.

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "I fear Wayne Bennett may have an argument with the "great" Monie (you could've put Edd the Duck in charge of Wigan, in those days, and they'd still win more than they'd lose).

I've no problem with Smith, bar his ostrich impression, re our HB problems'"


The same can be said about Bennett with the players he had at the Broncos, he couldn't produce his so called magic at the Knights or the dragons .

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I don't think we can point a finger at Agar this early in the season, Biscuit is pretty much spot on regards a leader and his other points, TS brought Asotasi in as a leader he's not leading, Bridge at 6 is not the answer GOB seems to be in awe of those around him rather than playing to his own game, I thought kicking was his main strength, whatever TS's thoughts were pre season with regards to the halves they now appear to be in tatters.

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Does anyone know what incluence each of the backroom staff really has?
I don't but would love to know.

TS doesn't become a bad coach overight. Some of his signings have been very good, some poor (sorry Roy but you're in the latter camp)
Never been overly convinced with Agar and not sure what he brings to the club, but not bagging him because I simply don't know what his role is eg work with the halves, work as a defensive coach etc etc

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Quote: fez1 "Does anyone know what incluence each of the backroom staff really has?
I don't but would love to know.

TS doesn't become a bad coach overight. Some of his signings have been very good, some poor (sorry Roy but you're in the latter camp)
Never been overly convinced with Agar and not sure what he brings to the club, but not bagging him because I simply don't know what his role is eg work with the halves, work as a defensive coach etc etc'"

All I know is that players usually jump at the chance to earn browny points by praising their coach in the media, yet I haven't heard a peep about Agar. To me it reeks of jobs for the boys.

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If Agar gets free reins of the coaching side I can only see 1 way this clubs going and it isn't up.Just ask the Wakefield and Hull fans.Surprised Moran endorsed Smithys praise of him which obviously is based on a long term friendship more than his coaching abilities.

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Quote: runningman29 "If Agar gets free reins of the coaching side I can only see 1 way this clubs going and it isn't up.Just ask the Wakefield and Hull fans.Surprised Moran endorsed Smithys praise of him which obviously is based on a long term friendship more than his coaching abilities.'"

I think we can add France to that list, they have totally underachieved since he took over. Agar stood down after we won at Belle Vue, the turnaround there in the following months scared the life out of me.

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