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Quote: morrisseyisawire "I don't have a problem. But some people seem to think the ref made a brave decision and threw us a lifeline. He didn't - it was the one thing he got right in the last 10 mins.

As it happens, I acknowledge we didn't do enough to win. I also acknowledge that the ref played a part and captains challenge is the only fair way to stop incorrect calls having big outcomes on games. Christ sake even the saints fanclub masquerading as a commentary conceded we'd been done on a few key calls.'"


If you are referring to me, you will see that I never used the word brave at all. That is your word injected into a straw man argument to back up your facile point.

I was simply countering this ridiculous, paranoid, narrative that somehow the ref decided in the last 10 minutes to give every penalty to Saints. Focussing on that, rather than our short comings which really cost us the game, may give you some comfort but it won't help us become better one bit.

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If we were to do a combined saints n wire combined 13 with the Bench how many Warrington players get in the team and how many based on tonight's game ?'"


As odious as their fans are and as much as we may not like to admit it, Saints have by far the majority of the better players, the finer skills, the better composure, the better culture, the higher confidence, the better sporting organisation, the stronger recruitment and a much higher desire and will to win. This is evidenced by them being the most successful SL club. Not sure if they can win a 5th in a row as Wigan look strong but it will take an excellent performance to beat them.

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Quote: Wires71 "As odious as their fans are and as much as we may not like to admit it, Saints have by far the majority of the better players, the finer skills, the better composure, the better culture, the higher confidence, the better sporting organisation, the stronger recruitment and a much higher desire and will to win. This is evidenced by them being the most successful SL club. Not sure if they can win a 5th in a row as Wigan look strong but it will take an excellent performance to beat them.'"

The post of the year well said..I know the world's gone mad..and it has here in bewsey towers but I hope Wigan wallop them

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Well tonight I saw a young lad do far more to try and win a game than Josh Drinkwater has in a wire shirt. Promising showing from Hayes.

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Really struggled to create opportunities without Williams. Dufty looked decent on the ball but just needed someone to create a bit of space for him.

Concerning start. Couldn’t compete with the intensity and by the time we’d settled in, we were left with too much to do.

Difficult to see but the Drinkwater intercept decision looked a real close one. For them to go on and score after we had scrambled really well up to that point is a kick in the teeth. There were a number of frustrating decisions, but we had chances to go level and didn’t take them.

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "

If we were to do a combined saints n wire combined 13 with the Bench how many Warrington players get in the team and how many based on tonight's game ?'"


Based on last night... Ashton. Maybe Vaughan, Clarke and Philbin on the bench.

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Quote: matt_wire "Well tonight I saw a young lad do far more to try and win a game than Josh Drinkwater has in a wire shirt. Promising showing from Hayes.'"


Hayes had an excellent second half - you could see the confidence starting to flow, and his pass selection, kicking and willingness to take on the line were top notch.

No reason at all he can't be Williams partner next year if we look after him.

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I think it would be unfair not to mention Hayes' defence as well. He was all over it.

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Saints did a good job on Vaughan. Restricted him to 55 meters.

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Drinkwater, Currie and Ratchford all stealing a wage. That Crowther is garbage as well. 36 metres and 9 missed tackles. There’s a reason why Wakey and Cas aren’t bothered about him.

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I'm no expert on the technicalities of the game but I always notice the difference between the timing of the passes between us and Saints. They seem to pass a split second before they are tackled, meaning an opposition defender is committed and out of contention for the remainder of that play. Wire passes are usually far earlier meaning the defence has time to rearrange and track across.

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As good as Clark is, I thought we looked much better when Walker came on, his distribution from dummy half is streets ahead of Clark.

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Dufty looked revitalised, keen in attack & defence, He's, Philbin, Russell, Wrench, Harrison, Ashton all worked really hard.....nice to see a few positive pointers for next season, coz this one is a write off

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Saints have to be recognised as the benchmark in superleague.
They have had a continuing will to win at all costs for many seasons . No matter who the coach is or what players come & go there is a need, a will, & an attitude throughout the club that carries them through most games. Bending the rules doesn't matter to Saints because the team are confident that the ref won't punish every infringement.
Incidentally, was the Sironen try off a forward pass ? It looked forward from the font of all knowledge ,the South stand.

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Quote: Wires71 "As odious as their fans are and as much as we may not like to admit it, Saints have by far the majority of the better players, the finer skills, the better composure, the better culture, the higher confidence, the better sporting organisation, the stronger recruitment and a much higher desire and will to win. This is evidenced by them being the most successful SL club. Not sure if they can win a 5th in a row as Wigan look strong but it will take an excellent performance to beat them.'"


W71 ,when you look at Saints though, they have this knack of getting players who are committed to the "cause". They don't even necessarily get the best players but they get the best out of them.

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