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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "I didn't think lineham was much of an issue, NOT good first game in charge for Hughes, right side did not do well(can't just blame it all on wrench) and Hughes as you say seemed to moan at the ref more than hill did, which then spread to the other player's'"
The Lineham comment I guess is more in reflection of his contract being up and his suspect decisions and discipline. 2 failed kicks through in the same match isn't the end of the world but in broken play, if it comes to him I'm not hopeful.
I'll find a touch of light in the current darkness though and say that Mulhern gave it a decent go for his first run out
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "Groundhog Day. The same people being tasked to dig us out of a mess. Without Daryl Clark, Hill and Cooper on the field, we might as well kick for touch and run the clock down. The bench are passengers with simple instruction to hold on until the first choice are back on.
There can be no more excuses. Open cheque book brought in Austin and Widdop, who are paid to create and control. Last year he could hide behind internationals, injuries and “waiting for a dry track” (which I particularly despise) but this year they have NOTHING to do but train together. Yet still the only attacking threat we have is a kick to King.
He can’t even fall back on this mythical defensive fortress, we were lucky to be in the game, they had a number of tries ruled out and had by far the better of the chances.
Someone needs to be honest and frank here. The coach/coaching group/playing group are not delivering what they are capable of. These are a selection of the best players in the competition, so it’s not lack of talent or capability, it’s a lack of will. What is stopping the players from delivering? The CEO must answer that question, and I would bank on it being direction from the coach.'"
I don't think your playing squad has as much quality as you think.
Probaby only Daz Clarke who is truely World class now.....
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| Best hooker in the game, one of the fastest wingers in the game......what does our coach do? Leaves them on the bench, unbelievable!!
Price out! (Along with anyone else who has been involved in "coaching" those players over the close season, stealing a living)
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| Quote: Cokey "Stop worrying, you've got lowly Leigh on Friday.'"
Do us a favour and beat us will you, I want us to lose as many as it takes for price to be sacked. This season is a write off if he stays.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "Groundhog Day. The same people being tasked to dig us out of a mess. Without Daryl Clark, Hill and Cooper on the field, we might as well kick for touch and run the clock down. The bench are passengers with simple instruction to hold on until the first choice are back on.
There can be no more excuses. Open cheque book brought in Austin and Widdop, who are paid to create and control. Last year he could hide behind internationals, injuries and “waiting for a dry track” (which I particularly despise) but this year they have NOTHING to do but train together. Yet still the only attacking threat we have is a kick to King.
He can’t even fall back on this mythical defensive fortress, we were lucky to be in the game, they had a number of tries ruled out and had by far the better of the chances.
Someone needs to be honest and frank here. The coach/coaching group/playing group are not delivering what they are capable of. These are a selection of the best players in the competition, so it’s not lack of talent or capability, it’s a lack of will. What is stopping the players from delivering? The CEO must answer that question, and I would bank on it being direction from the coach.'"
We were just slower than Cas at playing the ball, and didn't run the ball in hard enough. Our defensive structure was not up to scratch. Jason Clark broke their line twice which ended up in two of out tries, but why on earth didn't SP utilise Ashton when we needed to make something happen. A very frustrating performance.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Good 13 but not massively excited by that bench. Ashton either starts or doesn't for me.and the fireworks awaiting J Clarks first line break remain intact under the stairs.'"
Get under those stairs and grab them fireworks!
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| Quote: Shabino "I don't think your playing squad has as much quality as you think.
Probaby only Daz Clarke who is truely World class now.....'"
Comparing with their opponents today, you would be hard pressed to pick many Cas players over the corresponding player. Evalds and Ratchford are equal, Trueman over Austin. McShane and Clark are both excellent. Aside from that I can’t see many others. So all things being equal, on paper, Warrington win comfortably. Therefore it must be performance related issues. Can’t see there being a gulf in strength or fitness, no real travel factor/home advantage, no argument over referee decisions. It must be purely performance.
Bare in mind, Cas even played without a scrum half for an hour and O’Neill only played 6 minutes. 15 men beat us convincingly
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| Philbin might as well have IMPACT PLAYER tattooed on his forehead and what does Price do? Completely nullify him by making him start. Philbin was woeful and ineffective...but again that buck stops with Price. Jack Hughes was pitiful today and arguing with the ref whilst letting a player run past him was unforgivable...luckily Connor Wrench ignored his 'leader' and tracked back to make the tackle. If that's the captain we're in big trouble.
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "A bit of respect, please.
He's got a footy team, there..'"
He hasn't even got the enthusiasm to trot out that favourite cliché after matches anymore. Clearly doesn't want to be here. I'd take Steve Anderson back if it got rid of this clown.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "Comparing with their opponents today, you would be hard pressed to pick many Cas players over the corresponding player. Evalds and Ratchford are equal, Trueman over Austin. McShane and Clark are both excellent. Aside from that I can’t see many others. So all things being equal, on paper, Warrington win comfortably. Therefore it must be performance related issues. Can’t see there being a gulf in strength or fitness, no real travel factor/home advantage, no argument over referee decisions. It must be purely performance.
Bare in mind, Cas even played without a scrum half for an hour and O’Neill only played 6 minutes. 15 men beat us convincingly'"
So it must come down to coaching then?
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| Quote: Moe syslak "He hasn't even got the enthusiasm to trot out that favourite cliché after matches anymore. Clearly doesn't want to be here. I'd take Steve Anderson back if it got rid of this clown.'"
I'd take Clive Anderson or even Pamela Anderson, rather than our present incumbent.
They way we played today, Pamela's got two of them. We had 17.
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| Quote: Mr Snoodle "Best hooker in the game, one of the fastest wingers in the game......what does our coach do? Leaves them on the bench, unbelievable!!
Price out! (Along with anyone else who has been involved in "coaching" those players over the close season, stealing a living)'"
Absolutely spot on ina game you know is gunna be close you have your best players on from the start..if he makes the same mistake next week I won't be watching
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| Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "I didn't think lineham was much of an issue, NOT good first game in charge for Hughes, right side did not do well(can't just blame it all on wrench) and Hughes as you say seemed to moan at the ref more than hill did, which then spread to the other player's'"
As Roy Keane once said ‘when Keiran Gibbs is your captain you know you’ve got problems’. Same goes for Hughes. I don’t care if he’s a good talker on the field, he’s barely good enough to be playing for us let alone captain.
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "As Roy Keane once said ‘when Keiran Gibbs is your captain you know you’ve got problems’. Same goes for Hughes. I don’t care if he’s a good talker on the field, he’s barely good enough to be playing for us let alone captain.'"
Did you not listen to the experts on sky? He's a 10/10 every week and a good talker as well as leading by example.
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| Quote: Moe syslak "So it must come down to coaching then?'"
Potentially.
Coaching and/or culture I would say. Kevin Brown mentioned pre-game about there being concerns over the culture of the club. We’ve been here before, Tony Smith took the initiative and cut a problem, even if he was a superstar. If the coach had the backing of the board, and had the bottle, he would have ripped that problem out by now.
It’s either Price is the problem, or the higher leadership group is. If they undermine Price (by keeping players he doesn’t trust, signing players he doesn’t want, influencing a negative atmosphere in the club) he could be on a hiding to nothing.
While I have Fitzpatrick down to be a bit soft in the belly, and grossly inexperienced to stand up to Moran, Middleton etc. I don’t think he would bring such a negative vibe.
Therefore, yes, I think it’s the coaching. And this shouldn’t come as a surprise, he has had one head coaching role before and was utter garbage, resulting in a petition for his sacking. However the recruiters overlooked that. I just hope they get it right this time around. And soon.
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