The price we paid for Myler is driven by the barren state of English halfbacks for many years now. Because there are so few that are even half decent, they have a lot of market power over clubs and so their agents manage to get them big deals. I remember last season there was that business about Myler going to the NRL but nothing came of it, maybe in the NRL they have more options and weren't going to pay top dollar for Myler.

I still think Myler is a useful weapon and has his strengths but you have a fair point that he hasn't advanced in the way we'd have hoped. He was in the England set up when he was at Salford but he hasn't established himself there which I was hoping he would have done with us.

This is another reason why I'm slow to buy in to the hype of young players coming through till they have really proved themselves. We've had other examples of much hyped young halfbacks like Scott Moore and Matty Smith, or going back further Kevin Brown was supposed to be one of the biggest talents ever to come out of Wigan's youth system. They end up being so-so. Briers, for all that people say "he wasted his talent", he actually was a top line halfback for many years and got more consistent with age, nobody else has done that since: others like Horne, Thorman and Cooke, started brightly then faded away.

For years the argument was that we don't have any halfbacks because all the clubs sign Aussie halfbacks so English lads don't get a chance but those guys above have had lots of chances, and never fully established themselves. I'm beginning to think the problem isn't that there's loads of amazing English halfback talent around that never gets out of the Championship because of too many overseas players, its that there just isn't the talent around and there hasn't been for a while.

When you look at some of the halfbacks who have served us well down the last 20 or so years - Briers, Greg Mackey, Keith Holden etc. none of them were exactly marquee signings, and all represented something of a gamble.

The championship has proven to be a source of SL-quality forwards in recent times, there must be a SL-quality halfback lurking there somewhere as well, just waiting for someone to take a punt.

You probably have a valid point, Danny Brough was a championship half back and as had to work his way up the SL ladder - Now he is the best half back in the comp.

As for Myler, personally, I feel with all the investment and the hype that went with him, the return we have got back from him, on an individual level, as been pretty poor.... For all the sing that accompanied Wigan's signing of Matty Smith, it has to be said that Smith has proved a cannier recruitment for them, than Myler has been for us.

That's a great post, like you said we are only 2 games in so let's see what the core looks like after 10 and maybe we will have a better idea where needs strengthening.

Jon Roper,Mike Wainwright,Richie Barnett,Henry Fafilli,John Clarke,Chris Riley.., Now Myler and Atkins...

Always a scapegoat and always a target to hound out of the club... That's our way isn't it!!

But no one is scapegoating, surely it's appropriate to say someone has had a stinker if they actually have had a stinker.
Ryan just needs a good sports psychologist to sort his confidence out.
Richie needs to start shouting and directing.

Yes, let's just back the players, even when its blindingly obvious that they are under-performing...



I think its only fair that if the club as invested OUR money in players like Myler and Atkins, that questions should be asked if they don't perform upto expectation.

It isn't a case of hounding players, its more a case that players need to realise that they have to perform a lot better than they presently are, if they are to stay in the side.

If what Myler and Atkins are presently doing for the club is the best they can give, then, to put it bluntly, they should be told to find another club.... Personally, I believe Atkins can do better, because we have seen him do it, but as for Myler, in five years, I've yet to be won over.

I'm in two minds over Atkins, without doubt he deserves dropping, it did the world of good for briers, no player should be undroppable.


However, think back to the Matt king incident in 09, we all needed to put our collective arm around him, to bring up his confidence.

Would it not be as good an idea to be supportive for Ryan?

People are directly having a go at him on twitter, one thing I would definitely do if I was him is stay off that for a while.

It's bang out of order .

Atkins in an accident that is happening now.
I'm a fan of the fella. On his day, he's the equal of any British centre, BUT, he's in a real bad run of form. In a footballing similie, his probably going through what Joe Hart was, 5 months ago. So, Pellegrini "rested" him, and played someone else. Hart "got his head together", and was then reinstated to the team. Hart is now, not far from his previous best.
I hope Mr Smith reacts accordingly.

Without a doubt it's pretty obvious his confidence is shot.. He was fantastic In his 1st season, he hasn't become a bad player overnight.. Maybe a bit of crowd support rather than abuse on forums and Twitter wouldn't go amiss..

Forums is fair game anyone has the choice to come on here and form an opinion, direct messages actually at him though, really? Leave that to Smith Poching and Marshall.