Oh dear.

Ah. So, referring to my question above, 'SC' was only being sarcastic when he mentioned he'd tortured and killed at least one cat on the Sin Bin a few weeks ago? As I said, good to hear. Good job he's got you to speak for him.

SC's posts are nearly always TIC, sarcastic, or intended to provoke. His contribution to this thread is entirely in character and TBH quite obviously not intended to be taken seriously.

Just two points about the 'controversial' tries...

Waterhouse is quite clearly offside when the ball is played. At least two camera angles show it, granted I've seen the footage a number of times.

The 'forward pass' try does indeed contain one forward pass - from Houghton at the ruck. The other passes are fine although, again, first time of viewing they look marginal. Forward passes from the ruck happen regularly and are nearly always missed for some reason.

I did think you should have had a penalty near the end when Briscoe had his legs wrapped around the leg of your guy trying to play the ball. Otherwise Silverwood was his normal self.

Not piqued by anything he's said on this thread. I [iwas[/i concerned by something he said on the Sin Bin a few weeks ago though, which - even if he was being sarcastic - was, for me, unsavoury. Hence my response to "HY" (is that the accepted abbreviation-of-name format on here?) after he asserted that "SC" posts universally in sarcastic mode as if everything and everyone was tiresome (a bit like a cat, then) asking if that was the case on that occasion.

If, as you say, he also intends to provoke, that may have been his intention as I was provoked.

Yes, there was a replay which showed the defensive line as the ball was played, TW set off too early.

I disagree. I thought it was a legal pass.

Houghton passes on one of the pitch markings and the receiver takes it on the same line. Considering Houghton was stationary passing from dummy half, can that mean that the line can be used as a good indicator?

Good game i thought.... enjoyed watching the physical battle... Our inability to complete sets cost us, especially on the last tackle in the first half. On another day we would have scored 20+ in the first half.. Credit to Hull for their excellent defense though..

Negatives for me - I don't know what has happened to Atkins this season. He looks rubbish. M. Monaghan looks a shadow of the player he once was. We are hugely reliant on Higham now in the hooking role. I expect this to be remedied next season with the purchase of a new hooker... Also Westwood is still struggling to get back to his best. He showed glimpses of the last seasons player, but he is no longer dominating games like he used to. Coopers ball retention is still poor.

Positives - Riley looked like he could have a decent future (the big one, not the turnstyle). Ratchford looked excellent, as did Myler. Hill ran hard and make great yards... the younger lads stood up to be counted last night, which was pleasing to see.

IMO, you failed to complete sets near to our line due to our defensive pressure. Against a weaker defence you'd have scored 20+ points in the 1st half. We were obviously feeling confident in our defence and were happy to kick early in the tackle count in the latter stages of the game.

Hull's ball control in the 1st half was poor also and we didn't complete sets in your 20 on 4 or 5 occasions but we improved our ball control significantly in the 2nd half which is what won us the game in the end.

For those looking for excuses, compare the 2 sides last night and consider how many of our players you'd currently swap for their opposite number in your side. Even with P&B coloured specs I'd expect there would be a few and I think at full strength there isn't that much between the sides. We do look fitter and faster though

Nothing to do with silverdud the loss , very tight close game and Hull wanted it that little bit more , there tactics was spot on in the 2nd half , keeping us as far away as possible from there 20 with a great kicking game and doggish defence , not worried in the slightest still have quality players to come back in the team

We've had a few years out of the mix due to frankly incredibly bad luck in the injury department, poor running of the club, poor coaching and no stable half back pairing.

In this same period of time Warrington came of age and signfiicantly improved into the deserved position you are now as one of the top Super League sides.

We now have a good coach with Gentle,, stable half back pairings with Richard Horne, Houldsworth, Hermeria and Houghton, with renewed competition from like like of Miller coming in and a well run club under Pearson, plus a great experienced captain in Gareth Ellis.

I can understand your perception. But I have a confidence that I haven't experienced as a Hull FC since about 2006, so we shall see.

Hull are a better side than Warrington, this will be proved as the season goes on. When I look down the team sheets last night there are very few Warrington players that would get a game for Hull.

Atkins, Westwood and Hill would be the only ones to come straight in the 13 and I would maybe find Ratchford a bench spot. But none of those guys would improve us significantly.

^ Sarcasm



^ Irony.

I'm also capable of banal chat too, so not quite

rubbish complete rubbish...If Atkins is so good and would get in the Mighty hull side ...please take him.......the lad cannot pass and his decision making is awful....

Warrington , as has been done to death on Sky make more errors than anyone else in the league but Hull struggled to get out of their own half (and on more than one occasion their own thirty!) under their own steam so I was still quite pleased with our defence. Largely unforced errors and stupid penalties got them decent field position.....which they exploited well...... their kicking game is a million times better than ours.

we are carrying a massive passanger in Trent Waterhouse who makes me do a mouth sick when I watch him swagger up and down field will his billy big balls walk while Grix and Westwood are busting their guts making carry after carry and he takes three hit ups in one half.... he's a scandalous player but unbelievably he cons many people who defend him with the "much of his work goes unnoticed" line. well I've been watching the game a long time and one offload round the back doesnt fool me his work last night went unnoticed because he did none.... and Whiting made him look like useless tool.......

dissapointed to lose but I havent Seen a Hull side play that well for a long time so i can take that one on the chin....we were quite poor in many areas but can we improve......I would hope so

on one final clutch at straws last weeks training session come laugh about against Salford probably did us no favours in the preparation for the Hull game so hopefully we should well up for the Saints game now....

You see more of Atkins than I do but he has always been a thorn in our side.

Not rubbish at all, Warrington are an aging, average side, too many players dont have the heart for a battle any more.

Not including the guys that both teams had missing how many of these can you argue with?

McDonnel > Ratchford
Lineham > Riley
Crooks > Grix (Grix is a better backrower but wouldnt make the Hull side there either.
Atkins > Yeaman
Briscoe > Monaghan
Holdsworth > Briers (Close one but Briers time at the top is running out fast)
Horne > Myler (On this seasons form Horne is back to the player of 7/8 years ago)
O'Meley > Wood
Houghton > Higham
Hill > Green
Ellis > Waterhouse
Westwood > Whiting
Pitts > Cooper

Heremaia > Monaghan (Whats happened to him lately, never noticed him last night)
Lynch > Carvell
Bowden > Currie
Johnson > Riley