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Quote: Live Wired "I really do have to laugh at some of the comments,I read on these pages.
As for saints "throwing" the game,utter bilge.Whats the point of flogging yourself,when the play-offs start next week and your finishing position is not going to improve,irrespective of the result.Its called resting certain players,something we should know enough about.

Now we get to the real reason as to why we are not in the play-offs.now look away if you are sensitive,but WE ARE JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.Since 2000,are finishing positions have been;
6,7,10,6,8,4,6,7,6 and 10th or 11th.this season has been shocking( thank god the CC has glossed over this)But any team that concedes on average 30pts/game deserves everything it gets.

DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE ANY DIFFERENT NEXT SEASON?

History is taught in schools,so future generations will not make the same mistakes as our predecessors.Its the same in life.Would you put your hands in a fire,knowing that the last time you did so,it caused pain? No,of course you would'nt.So why do people think,that next years Warrington is going to be any different to this and previous?history tells you,it wont and it wont because of what goes on behind the scenes.we have the incompetants in the souvenir shop,we have a publicity team that puts up a sign out side the ground telling those who already know,who we play next.We employ dyslexic printers (huddesfield shirts),we have a non-existant defensive coach and a board thats so myopic,that it thinks throwing money around,is the way to win trophies

Looking at previous years,the best we can hope for next season,is 7th and hopefully a good cup run.So as I've asked before,HAVE WE REALLY IMPROVED UNDER GRINNER SMITH AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE UNDER CULLEN?

Still there is always next season,or will we just blame St Helens again for all our problems???'"


Why do you never put a space after a punctuation mark such as a comma, full-stop or question mark?

Do you use a voice processor or something?

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Quote: Live Wired "Rugbychick.
Come on then,give me a lengthy and reasoned account of what is wrong with my posting.Show me 1 fact on there that is wrong.

As for being a cynic,no,just a realist.
Look at the CC.Now its widely recognised that Huddersfield froze on the day (cant argue with that)We put up 2 massive performances in 1 off games,to get to Wembley (cant argue with that).but would'nt the same players have performed just aswell under Cullen given the same circumstances?They'd done it before in 1 off games under him.

now,you can either wake up and get out of fantasyland or carry on putting your head in the ground.

I await your reply with baited breath.'"


Really? Name them and what did we gain from winning these "one off" games with Cullen?

Yes, absolutely nothing.

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theres been one hell of an improvement under ts hence winning a cup knocking out hull kr away wigan and huddersfield if you think thats not an improvement your daft..i know i watch it nearly every week..not bad for a bloke whos only been here for approx 5 months...some people are never happy

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Quote: Live Wired "Rugbychick.
Come on then,give me a lengthy and reasoned account of what is wrong with my posting.Show me 1 fact on there that is wrong.

As for being a cynic,no,just a realist.
Look at the CC.Now its widely recognised that Huddersfield froze on the day (cant argue with that)We put up 2 massive performances in 1 off games,to get to Wembley (cant argue with that).but would'nt the same players have performed just aswell under Cullen given the same circumstances?They'd done it before in 1 off games under him.

now,you can either wake up and get out of fantasyland or carry on putting your head in the ground.

I await your reply with baited breath.'"


To be honest I wasn't going to give you the satisfaction of replying to your drivel but I feel I can't ignore it.

To start with you state that the reason we have not made the play-off's this year was because we are "just not good enough". Rubissh. And just to make sure you don't misunderstand meNobody[/i could have predicted how huge demand for Wembley tickets and merchandise would be and the club shop were in a situation they couldn't win. If they bought in a ton of stock and only 12'000 fans showed any interest they're left with surplus stock they're losing money on. Not exactly recession-friendly. Yet if they are cautious and buy it in as demand stipulates then they're criticised by idiots like you for being imcompetent. Yes there were spelling mistakes on some of the merchandise, it's hardly the end of the world is it? I'm sure everybody involved in it worked damn hard to get the products out so people actually had things to buy. You should be applauding them.

I imagine the advertising team could probably do a little more in terms of advertising the week-to-week games but if you're so full of amazing ideas why don't you email someone at the club instead of moaning on here?

Please explain to me how "throwing money round" won't win us trophies? Simon Moran has already proved that "throwing money around" obvious does win us trophies - we've got one in the cupboard. I'm sure you weren't complaining about him when he was "throwing money around" on free coaches to the Bradford playoff for all the fans. Or were you sat at home watching because "historically" we wouldn't win? icon_rolleyes.gif

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I love it wearing my Wembley winners T-shirt I love having a brew out of my Wembley winners cup

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Three trophies to win in a season, we've got one of them. Live Wired wouldn't even be happy if we had won all three. there are at least 11 SL Teams that won't win a thing this season. Almost everyone in the game has mentioned our improvement since Smith arrived, except Live Wired. Closet Saints fan, let him go there.

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Quote: Teessidewire "Three trophies to win in a season, we've got one of them. Live Wired wouldn't even be happy if we had won all three. there are at least 11 SL Teams that won't win a thing this season. Almost everyone in the game has mentioned our improvement since Smith arrived, except Live Wired. Closet Saints fan, let him go there.'"



actually 12 teams wont win a thing.

To win the WCC you have to have won the Superleague trophy.....
so one team wins the Challenge cup and one team wins the other two trophies ( unless the aussies win it again)...

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Rugbychick;
Thanks for the lengthy reply,but not quite convinced by the reasoning.We'll take point for point;
1/Play-offs; So being good in the 2nd half of the season entitles a team to be in the top 8.Drivel.Its a season-long competition and the teams who finish in the top 8 are there on merit.Now remind me,how many league games have we won in the last 7 (so we've not really played well in the 2nd part of the season.) and what league position was we in when Grinner came here?

2/Les Catalans as a club in superleague have done well and should be applauded for it.As you say,runners up and a CC final appearance (more than warrington have achieved in sl),but quite simply last season they over-performed,just like Warrington,Wakefield,Salford and Widnes before them,the following season they reverted to type.Huddersfield will do the same next year.

3/The main difference between us and the likes of Saints/Leeds is professionalism throught both clubs.It starts off the pitch and in the background and works it way onto the pitch.

4/Why should I do the publicity team's job for them?(do we have 1?)And as for the souvenir shop,its badly run.Ever tried paying cash for a season ticket?Look at the incompetance of selling the cup-final tickets,nobody knew where to go,if paying by cash or credit card.chaos.Mis-spelling of tee-shirts,again incompetance and a lack of professionalism on all sides

5/Throwing money around does'nt always bring success,Success is all about attitude in the club.(Wait until Chelseas fc implode and you'll see what happens,it eventually brings greed and squabbling amongst the players,look at Leeds utd and their position now.)what happens when the money runs out,as it did at Wigan rlfc?i'd much prefer to see a team that wants to play for a shirt,than 1 that is made-up of players who are here for a pay-packet.Hence teams like Wakefield,Castleford,Huddersfield and Hull KR (prime example),the 1s who quite a few on here think are not as good as Warrington,are the kind of teams who will continually do well,as long as they continue with the same mindset.

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Mis-spelling of tee-shirts,again incompetance
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Quote: Live Wired "Rugbychick;
Thanks for the lengthy reply,but not quite convinced by the reasoning.We'll take point for point;
1/Play-offs; So being good in the 2nd half of the season entitles a team to be in the top 8.Drivel.Its a season-long competition and the teams who finish in the top 8 are there on merit.Now remind me,how many league games have we won in the last 7 (so we've not really played well in the 2nd part of the season.) and what league position was we in when Grinner came here?

2/Les Catalans as a club in superleague have done well and should be applauded for it.As you say,runners up and a CC final appearance (more than warrington have achieved in sl),but quite simply last season they over-performed,just like Warrington,Wakefield,Salford and Widnes before them,the following season they reverted to type.Huddersfield will do the same next year.

3/The main difference between us and the likes of Saints/Leeds is professionalism throught both clubs.It starts off the pitch and in the background and works it way onto the pitch.

4/Why should I do the publicity team's job for them?(do we have 1?)And as for the souvenir shop,its badly run.Ever tried paying cash for a season ticket?Look at the incompetance of selling the cup-final tickets,nobody knew where to go,if paying by cash or credit card.chaos.Mis-spelling of tee-shirts,again incompetance and a lack of professionalism on all sides

5/Throwing money around does'nt always bring success,Success is all about attitude in the club.(Wait until Chelseas fc implode and you'll see what happens,it eventually brings greed and squabbling amongst the players,look at Leeds utd and their position now.)what happens when the money runs out,as it did at Wigan rlfc?i'd much prefer to see a team that wants to play for a shirt,than 1 that is made-up of players who are here for a pay-packet.Hence teams like Wakefield,Castleford,Huddersfield and Hull KR (prime example),the 1s who quite a few on here think are not as good as Warrington,are the kind of teams who will continually do well,as long as they continue with the same mindset.'"


I await your list of HKR players who have come through the club.

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who said anything about "coming through"?

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Quote: Live Wired "who said anything about "coming through"?'"


Your implying that HKR players arent just there for a pay packet yet I wouldnt imagine they have the home grown element that we do? (Happy to be proved wrong.)

Players with no tie to the club will be going there explicitly for the pay packet as any professional should.

There is nothing worng with the attitude of the players your just assuming they don't give their all because they will be on good salaries because of their previous records.

Smith has already proven that only committed players will be shipped out the door.

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Quote: Live Wired "Rugbychick;
Thanks for the lengthy reply,but not quite convinced by the reasoning.We'll take point for point;
1/Play-offs; So being good in the 2nd half of the season entitles a team to be in the top 8.Drivel.Its a season-long competition and the teams who finish in the top 8 are there on merit.Now remind me,how many league games have we won in the last 7 (so we've not really played well in the 2nd part of the season.) and what league position was we in when Grinner came here?

2/Les Catalans as a club in superleague have done well and should be applauded for it.As you say,runners up and a CC final appearance (more than warrington have achieved in sl),but quite simply last season they over-performed,just like Warrington,Wakefield,Salford and Widnes before them,the following season they reverted to type.Huddersfield will do the same next year.

3/The main difference between us and the likes of Saints/Leeds is professionalism throught both clubs.It starts off the pitch and in the background and works it way onto the pitch.

4/Why should I do the publicity team's job for them?(do we have 1?)And as for the souvenir shop,its badly run.Ever tried paying cash for a season ticket?Look at the incompetance of selling the cup-final tickets,nobody knew where to go,if paying by cash or credit card.chaos.Mis-spelling of tee-shirts,again incompetance and a lack of professionalism on all sides

5/Throwing money around does'nt always bring success,Success is all about attitude in the club.(Wait until Chelseas fc implode and you'll see what happens,it eventually brings greed and squabbling amongst the players,look at Leeds utd and their position now.)what happens when the money runs out,as it did at Wigan rlfc?i'd much prefer to see a team that wants to play for a shirt,than 1 that is made-up of players who are here for a pay-packet.Hence teams like Wakefield,Castleford,Huddersfield and Hull KR (prime example),the 1s who quite a few on here think are not as good as Warrington,are the kind of teams who will continually do well,as long as they continue with the same mindset.'"



I think you have reasonable points in part and of course history backs up your argument. The club shop could be run better - agreed. We do have off field discipline issues - bridge/harrison - agreed. We do lack that winning mentality (i.e we can win both comps) which has been shown in the last 1/3 of the season - agreed terrible league form.

However we have won a major honour something that we havent done in 35 years. Smith is a proven winner across different clubs. We have signed one of the most exciting young halfbacks to emerge in years and we have the feel good factor again.

The time to judge is next season.

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Quote: Live Wired "Rugbychick;
Thanks for the lengthy reply,but not quite convinced by the reasoning.We'll take point for point;
1/Play-offs; So being good in the 2nd half of the season entitles a team to be in the top 8.Drivel.Its a season-long competition and the teams who finish in the top 8 are there on merit.Now remind me,how many league games have we won in the last 7 (so we've not really played well in the 2nd part of the season.) and what league position was we in when Grinner came here?

2/Les Catalans as a club in superleague have done well and should be applauded for it.As you say,runners up and a CC final appearance (more than warrington have achieved in sl),but quite simply last season they over-performed,just like Warrington,Wakefield,Salford and Widnes before them,the following season they reverted to type.Huddersfield will do the same next year.

3/The main difference between us and the likes of Saints/Leeds is professionalism throught both clubs.It starts off the pitch and in the background and works it way onto the pitch.

4/Why should I do the publicity team's job for them?(do we have 1?)And as for the souvenir shop,its badly run.Ever tried paying cash for a season ticket?Look at the incompetance of selling the cup-final tickets,nobody knew where to go,if paying by cash or credit card.chaos.Mis-spelling of tee-shirts,again incompetance and a lack of professionalism on all sides

5/Throwing money around does'nt always bring success,Success is all about attitude in the club.(Wait until Chelseas fc implode and you'll see what happens,it eventually brings greed and squabbling amongst the players,look at Leeds utd and their position now.)what happens when the money runs out,as it did at Wigan rlfc?i'd much prefer to see a team that wants to play for a shirt,than 1 that is made-up of players who are here for a pay-packet.Hence teams like Wakefield,Castleford,Huddersfield and Hull KR (prime example),the 1s who quite a few on here think are not as good as Warrington,are the kind of teams who will continually do well,as long as they continue with the same mindset.'"





point number 2 we`ve won the cc cup..catalans have not

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Live Wired wouldn't be happy even if we won the double.

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