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Quote: Philth "But what if they are stifled in playing the best they can by instructions and gameplans from the coach? One's they dont believe in or are experiencing first hand aren't working? What if he's instructing them to "always lie on" and they keep getting pinged for penalties or he says "every 4th tackle work it to the left hand side regardless of what's infront of you" and rubbish you for having the audacity to pass right on the 4th because you saw a gap.


There must be a point where the psychology of having to follow instructions you feel are flawed has a detrimental effect on your game. They're the ones getting bashed on the pitch for 80 mins.

Those may be daft examples but you get my point. Guess it goes back to DSM's thread on how important a coach is. Were you in the "not very" camp? (That's not meant in an y way fyi)'"


All fair points and I can imagine your scenario could effect on performance but I don't believe it should reflect on effort.

I actually believe the coach is vitally important as evidenced by the change that Smith made when taking over from Lowes mid-season. We were on a 10 game losing streak across 2008/2009 and then in a few months we were lifting the Challenge Cup.

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I wasn’t quite sure which topic this should go into because there is a lot of overlap but does anybody know what Kyle Leuluai’s day to day involvement is.
The only reason that I ask is that I just read an article on BBC about Leigh signing Gildart and notice that Chris Chester has commented about the signing. It describes Chester as head of rugby operations and if I am correct that is the same as Leuluai but as far as I can remember I have never heard a peep from big Kyle. I am sort of surprised he has never fancied the head coaches gig.

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One of the problems for the next coach is being hamstrung by the players that are still here & exactly what is available out there when transfers have been agreed & contracts signed for next season throughout the league. He may be forced to play more youngsters next year anyway, but even if a coach is only starting from next ,he needs to be having immediate input into Wire recruitment & releases for next season.

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Quote: Deus Dat Incrementum "I wasn’t quite sure which topic this should go into because there is a lot of overlap but does anybody know what Kyle Leuluai’s day to day involvement is.
The only reason that I ask is that I just read an article on BBC about Leigh signing Gildart and notice that Chris Chester has commented about the signing. It describes Chester as head of rugby operations and if I am correct that is the same as Leuluai but as far as I can remember I have never heard a peep from big Kyle. I am sort of surprised he has never fancied the head coaches gig.'"


I believe Chester has more of a director of rugby role. Leuiluai is more concerned with player welfare and things like organising travel etc

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Quote: Alffi_7 "I believe Chester has more of a director of rugby role. Leuiluai is more concerned with player welfare and things like organising travel etc'"


Oh so he's our next CEO. Cool

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Quote: ninearches "One of the problems for the next coach is being hamstrung by the players that are still here & exactly what is available out there when transfers have been agreed & contracts signed for next season throughout the league. He may be forced to play more youngsters next year anyway, but even if a coach is only starting from next ,he needs to be having immediate input into Wire recruitment & releases for next season.'"


Currently, we only have 2 out-of-contract players at the end of this season.

They are Minikin who has already signed for Featherstone, and Matautia who was planning to retire, but will possibly now join Powell at his next club? .........Maybe Cas, but that could mean playing in the Championship?

I would imagine that there maybe 1 or 2 others who will now be loaned-out for season long loans, until their Wire contracts expire at the end of next season.

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Championship is too good for Matautia

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Quote: ratticusfinch "

If they lost on purpose to get rid of Powell then I’ve no problem with that, I was pleased when Monaghan threw that deliberate intercept against Cas.'"


Probably the daftest comment that I have ever read on this forum. Silly idea & so out of touch with what really happens in the rugby world. Pretty sad really cos there is no hope.

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Quote: Wires71 "
I actually believe the coach is vitally important as evidenced by the change that Smith made when taking over from Lowes mid-season. We were on a 10 game losing streak across 2008/2009 and then in a few months we were lifting the Challenge Cup.'"


Of if you have a coach as good as Steve Price you can go on one of those losing streaks and win the Challenge Cup in the middle of it.

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Quote: Smiffy27 "Probably the daftest comment that I have ever read on this forum. Silly idea & so out of touch with what really happens in the rugby world. Pretty sad really cos there is no hope.'"


I don’t know why we’re looking for a coach when Wayne Bennett is a forum member and fan. Can you genuinely list these playing/coaching credentials that you hint at with virtually every post. No, not another condescending remark just the credentials please. If they are as lofty as I’m led to believe I’ll be impressed.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Of if you have a coach as good as Steve Price you can go on one of those losing streaks and win the Challenge Cup in the middle of it.'"


Mmm that was a 3 match losing streak before the Wembley win so not sure it's the same.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "I don’t know why we’re looking for a coach when Wayne Bennett is a forum member and fan. Can you genuinely list these playing/coaching credentials that you hint at with virtually every post. No, not another condescending remark just the credentials please. If they are as lofty as I’m led to believe I’ll be impressed.'"


Just press the "Ignore" button. He's not happy unless he is insulting fellow forum users or trying to supress opinions. Or indeed both simultaneously.

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If he’s an ex-GB coach then fair enough but if he is I’m surprised he doesn’t think professional players can deliberately drop a few gears (has happened numerous times in all sports). Mind you it probably didn’t happen in Woolston Rovers 1983 u14s reserve side’s div 3 title winning season.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "I don’t know why we’re looking for a coach when Wayne Bennett is a forum member and fan. Can you genuinely list these playing/coaching credentials that you hint at with virtually every post. No, not another condescending remark just the credentials please. If they are as lofty as I’m led to believe I’ll be impressed.'"


I don't think I will be listing anything as I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed. But if you really believe that players ever lose on purpose ... honestly it's madness & as for the Monaghan idea ... wow.

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Quote: Wires71 "Mmm that was a 3 match losing streak before the Wembley win so not sure it's the same.'"


It's the same in terms of us being crap and playing dire rugby for a good month or so before and for the whole rest of the season after.

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