Westwood was every buy what I hoped Bailey would have brought but didn't.
Bish bash bosh.

Despite all the pantomime villenry, Bailey's never committed cheap shots as bad as that and the Blake Green incident. He's also never been as much of penalty machine either as supporters of opposing teams make out either.
Westwood has been a far better player over his career though, obviously

People forget that in 20 years the game has changed we're understanding more about the long term effects of the collisions they are facing and adjusting the game with players welfare in mind

Modern day packs would muller most of the packs from the 80s they're fitter faster stronger they just do it without having to resort to cheap shots.

There have always been cheap shot merchants and there always will be, and yes, today's players are fitter, faster and stronger. Players these days are also robots, rarely straying from coaches dull tactics and formulaic plays. If I was a Stains fan, would I rather watch Harry Pinner play loose forward or LMS. I know who I'd prefer.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of biff, infact, there's nothing wrong with a lot of biff. A good 26 man brawl never did anyone any harm, but there's a fair bit of harm in a 2 second late tackle.

Sadly, since THAT night in Wigan in 2000, two commentators really got their lingerie in a twist, and we've become more and more sanitised, year on year.

WWIII in 1988 is still talked about fondly on here. No one was concussed, the crowded loved it, and such incidents continued to happen for years, with no need for faux indignation

Recalling WWIII, there's quite an infamous incident regarding Goodway being a pooh house. Sadly, one of our number attempted the same "feat" on Friday. Now, there really IS, NO NEED for that in our game. That IS, poohhousedness, and not biff.

I heard two american ice hockey commentators not long back. A brawl started and they both cheered and said 'lets be honest the crowd love a good fight'. Full on brawls we're a great part of the game back in the day....and anyone who didn't enjoy them is lying.

Completely agree. With regards to the "stepping on hand" a la Goodway/Cullen I thought this was very poor from Sims. For all his hardman image I don't think I have ever seen him have a square go at an opponent and throw a punch.

Sims, hardman image really who told you that?

Quote: Snaggletooth "Sims, hardman image really who told you that?'" I know it was tongue in cheek but he has been referred to in the past as "hardman" or "enforcer". Here for one www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6a5b3bb73b

Quote: Snaggletooth "Sims, hardman image really who told you that?'" I know it was tongue in cheek but he has been referred to in the past as "hardman" or "enforcer". Here for one www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl ... 6a5b3bb73b

Wouldn't a fairer comprising be between Pinner and Sculthorpe? Presume Pinner wouldn't be the answer then?

Quote: Wires71 "Completely agree. With regards to the "stepping on hand" a la Goodway/Cullen I thought this was very poor from Sims. For all his hardman image I don't think I have ever seen him have a square go at an opponent and throw a punch.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-punch-up

Quote: Wires71 "Completely agree. With regards to the "stepping on hand" a la Goodway/Cullen I thought this was very poor from Sims. For all his hardman image I don't think I have ever seen him have a square go at an opponent and throw a punch.'" www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-punch-up

Bloody hell, you been looking at our Union's Hall of Fame?

A veritable list of fine upstanding gentlemen who tackled round the head and punched when required.

Poohousedness. I like that. I think I'll use it in conversation in the future, with an air of disdain hanging in the air and a glass of sweet sherry in hand.

"You, sir, are a cad and a poo house. Begone with all haste, and take your boorish poohousedness with you".

Sims gets some unfair stick on here, never seen him take a backwards step he is always on of the first in if there's a brawl and when he causes some grief he actively looks to take the next ball in where others shy away oh and he has only not played thru suspension has not been out thru injuries once for us so on the hole has given us good value for money and if all the players showed his passion we certainly would not be in the position we are in right now

He is actually a good player and if we had a pack of "biff" they would be forever banned injured or we would burn thru our interchanges too fast one or two enforcer type players are all we need and they don't have to be props !! Some of the most brutal looking hits I've seen are by Harrison Hansen and he's a second rower !!

We've looked weak in the past when hill n sims were rested and to be fair not looked as good when we have started with hill n cooper so that leads me to think maybe sims is not as bad as many would have us believe !!

No doubt Sims enthusiasm and passion and his form over the last two games has seen him arguably play his best rugby. However too little too late?
So far I've been happy with G King and Philbin and they have potential....Cooper and Crosby are on longer contracts, so if a suitable prop comes our way, loosing Sims won't distrupt my sleep.