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| sally cinnamon:Wires71:
But the list narrows when you ask which of those would be snapped up by a GF aspiring SL side (Wigan / Hull KR / Saints), and which would go to the also ran clubs (like us).
This is the killer question, it's why I drew a distinction between the TS era and the Price era in terms of saying "with the squad we had we should have won the Grand Final". In the TS era our rivals would have coveted lots of our players, you could make a case that the Wigan team who beat us in 2013 would have replaced over half their starters with ours if they had the chance. Leeds - maybe not. Their core was better than ours. But it was legitimate to say we had the team to win the Grand Final. But this was still being said in the Price era when it wasn't true. At the start of every season in the Price era I'd predict us to be about 5th and outside chance of winning the Challenge Cup and on here people would say no, who's better than us, we've got the squad to match Saints/Wigan/Cats. I never saw it. I would always think - if each member of our squad was available how many would the top teams be interested in? We saw the answer after they left, it was only Cooper and Clark. I would have added Hill to that list who IMO was good enough to play for a top team when he joined Hudds. Right now...I almost daren't ask the question... Yet somehow we manage to spend full cap plus marquees on them ...
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| Wires71:sally cinnamon:Wires71:
But the list narrows when you ask which of those would be snapped up by a GF aspiring SL side (Wigan / Hull KR / Saints), and which would go to the also ran clubs (like us).
This is the killer question, it's why I drew a distinction between the TS era and the Price era in terms of saying "with the squad we had we should have won the Grand Final". In the TS era our rivals would have coveted lots of our players, you could make a case that the Wigan team who beat us in 2013 would have replaced over half their starters with ours if they had the chance. Leeds - maybe not. Their core was better than ours. But it was legitimate to say we had the team to win the Grand Final. But this was still being said in the Price era when it wasn't true. At the start of every season in the Price era I'd predict us to be about 5th and outside chance of winning the Challenge Cup and on here people would say no, who's better than us, we've got the squad to match Saints/Wigan/Cats. I never saw it. I would always think - if each member of our squad was available how many would the top teams be interested in? We saw the answer after they left, it was only Cooper and Clark. I would have added Hill to that list who IMO was good enough to play for a top team when he joined Hudds. Right now...I almost daren't ask the question... Yet somehow we manage to spend full cap plus marquees on them ... If I had the money I would clear the club from top to bottom. I see Wigan how professional they look same can be said for a few clubs, then I look at us and it?s like an 18-30 destination club. We occasionally turn up for a game then switch off again. I think it will be like this for years to come unless we can iradicate history/culture. Thing is we will never do that because we keep giving jobs to the boys and so the culture continues. I wish I was wrong but I don?t think I am. I thought for a while Tony Smith had it sorted but eventually they got around him.
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| karetaker:Wires71:sally cinnamon:Wires71:
But the list narrows when you ask which of those would be snapped up by a GF aspiring SL side (Wigan / Hull KR / Saints), and which would go to the also ran clubs (like us).
This is the killer question, it's why I drew a distinction between the TS era and the Price era in terms of saying "with the squad we had we should have won the Grand Final". In the TS era our rivals would have coveted lots of our players, you could make a case that the Wigan team who beat us in 2013 would have replaced over half their starters with ours if they had the chance. Leeds - maybe not. Their core was better than ours. But it was legitimate to say we had the team to win the Grand Final. But this was still being said in the Price era when it wasn't true. At the start of every season in the Price era I'd predict us to be about 5th and outside chance of winning the Challenge Cup and on here people would say no, who's better than us, we've got the squad to match Saints/Wigan/Cats. I never saw it. I would always think - if each member of our squad was available how many would the top teams be interested in? We saw the answer after they left, it was only Cooper and Clark. I would have added Hill to that list who IMO was good enough to play for a top team when he joined Hudds. Right now...I almost daren't ask the question... Yet somehow we manage to spend full cap plus marquees on them ... If I had the money I would clear the club from top to bottom. I see Wigan how professional they look same can be said for a few clubs, then I look at us and it?s like an 18-30 destination club. We occasionally turn up for a game then switch off again. I think it will be like this for years to come unless we can iradicate history/culture. Thing is we will never do that because we keep giving jobs to the boys and so the culture continues. I wish I was wrong but I don?t think I am. I thought for a while Tony Smith had it sorted but eventually they got around him. True. It all starts at the top. Board and CEO. If that isn't right the rest won't be either. We have a TEMU CEO and, i am led to believe, a chairman that meddles in the recruiment like a boy playing with his train set.
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There's no evidence whatsoever that Wane would thrive outside of Wigan. Good record yes, but he only cares about Wigan and at the first sign of trouble he would blame.the 'Wire culture' rather than do anything about changing whatever that culture is. Just like Powell, who brought in all his mates like Holmes and Matautia and blamed the 'Wire culture' rather than the fact his mates were just poor players.
To be fair to Powell, he's done well at every single club he's been at apart from Warrington. Certainly makes you think.
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| Lord Tony Smith:just_browny:
There's no evidence whatsoever that Wane would thrive outside of Wigan. Good record yes, but he only cares about Wigan and at the first sign of trouble he would blame.the 'Wire culture' rather than do anything about changing whatever that culture is. Just like Powell, who brought in all his mates like Holmes and Matautia and blamed the 'Wire culture' rather than the fact his mates were just poor players.
To be fair to Powell, he's done well at every single club he's been at apart from Warrington. Certainly makes you think. Because the club is run by the players and not the coach ? Often heard and read comments alluding to this in the past. Now I clearly have no idea if there is any truth of this, but stories of various players over the seasons makes it believable and that?s why I often mention the culture here. It will in all likelihood have begun with a coach being way to pally with the squad and it?s gone on from there right up to today.
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| Powell met wholesale opposition from the established clique of Warrington players who put their own selfish self-interests first.
He had a clear-out which was very painful but the remaining players supported their mates and went on a go slow until the Board of Directors sacked Powell.
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Powell met wholesale opposition from the established clique of Warrington players who put their own selfish self-interests first.
He had a clear-out which was very painful but the remaining players supported their mates and went on a go slow until the Board of Directors sacked Powell.
But just who are these players though that spanned Powell's era and into this one? Are we saying it's some of the following that went on a go slow?? Ashton King Currie Philbin Williams Ratchford Harrison Walker
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| Wires71:BOSS HOG:
Powell met wholesale opposition from the established clique of Warrington players who put their own selfish self-interests first.
He had a clear-out which was very painful but the remaining players supported their mates and went on a go slow until the Board of Directors sacked Powell.
But just who are these players though that spanned Powell's era and into this one? Are we saying it's some of the following that went on a go slow?? Ashton King Currie Philbin Williams Ratchford Harrison Walker "Quote" Some of them on your list certainly were, King was shown the door by Powell and should have been exchanged with Jake Wardell, if the club`s hierarchy had any nous. Dufty isn`t mentioned by you, he was recruited by Powell but joined the dissenter`s camp in wanting rid of Powell. I was replying to Lord Tony Smith`s post about why Powell didn`t achieve at Wire when he has done well everywhere else. The club`s Board blinked first, player power won the day and we are still suffering now from it.
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| BOSS HOG:Wires71:BOSS HOG:
Powell met wholesale opposition from the established clique of Warrington players who put their own selfish self-interests first.
He had a clear-out which was very painful but the remaining players supported their mates and went on a go slow until the Board of Directors sacked Powell.
But just who are these players though that spanned Powell's era and into this one? Are we saying it's some of the following that went on a go slow?? Ashton King Currie Philbin Williams Ratchford Harrison Walker "Quote" Some of them on your list certainly were, King was shown the door by Powell and should have been exchanged with Jake Wardell, if the club`s hierarchy had any nous. Dufty isn`t mentioned by you, he was recruited by Powell but joined the dissenter`s camp in wanting rid of Powell. I was replying to Lord Tony Smith`s post about why Powell didn`t achieve at Wire when he has done well everywhere else. The club`s Board blinked first and player power won the day. I just find it quite dumbfounding that we're the only club he's been at where he hasn't improved us. I struggle to fathom how it went so wrong and how bad we were yet he's had success everywhere else. It can't just be a coincidence, can it? He took Castleford from bottom of the league to winning the League Leaders Shield and runner up in the GF - yes Castleford! He's obviously a pretty competent coach. It just tells me that their are bigger issues at the club than the coach and probably Ivan Cleary would struggle here. As I've said before we've had a CEO for years who seems more interested in planning Wolfie's next stunt and accumulating likes on Twitter rather than results and performances on the rugby field. Chambers is currently DOR - based on what? He was coaching the kids a couple of years ago. We seem to hand out job roles to people based on sentiment and whether they are a decent bloke or not. You wouldn't think we have two ruthless multimillionaire businessmen as owners of the club. We are anything but ruthless. Whoever was in charge of recruitment this season should have been shown the door a couple of weeks ago. How can all our signings be playing reserve grade because none of them are good enough?
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| Lord Tony Smith:BOSS HOG:Wires71:BOSS HOG:
Powell met wholesale opposition from the established clique of Warrington players who put their own selfish self-interests first.
He had a clear-out which was very painful but the remaining players supported their mates and went on a go slow until the Board of Directors sacked Powell.
But just who are these players though that spanned Powell's era and into this one? Are we saying it's some of the following that went on a go slow?? Ashton King Currie Philbin Williams Ratchford Harrison Walker "Quote" Some of them on your list certainly were, King was shown the door by Powell and should have been exchanged with Jake Wardell, if the club`s hierarchy had any nous. Dufty isn`t mentioned by you, he was recruited by Powell but joined the dissenter`s camp in wanting rid of Powell. I was replying to Lord Tony Smith`s post about why Powell didn`t achieve at Wire when he has done well everywhere else. The club`s Board blinked first and player power won the day. I just find it quite dumbfounding that we're the only club he's been at where he hasn't improved us. I struggle to fathom how it went so wrong and how bad we were yet he's had success everywhere else. It can't just be a coincidence, can it? He took Castleford from bottom of the league to winning the League Leaders Shield and runner up in the GF - yes Castleford! He's obviously a pretty competent coach. It just tells me that their are bigger issues at the club than the coach and probably Ivan Cleary would struggle here. As I've said before we've had a CEO for years who seems more interested in planning Wolfie's next stunt and accumulating likes on Twitter rather than results and performances on the rugby field. Chambers is currently DOR - based on what? He was coaching the kids a couple of years ago. We seem to hand out job roles to people based on sentiment and whether they are a decent bloke or not. You wouldn't think we have two ruthless multimillionaire businessmen as owners of the club. We are anything but ruthless. Whoever was in charge of recruitment this season should have been shown the door a couple of weeks ago. How can all our signings be playing reserve grade because none of them are good enough? Two ruthless businessmen who are clearly good in the field that generates them a healthy income, makes you think this is just their train set and don?t have to be as ruthless. Yes they have put a lot of money into the club but then they can afford to can?t they. The other point that niggles me is the jobs for the boys. I appreciate that we have had some great players in the past but I don?t have room for sentiment in sport. I know there are people out there that are happy with the just taking part is great. I?m sorry that?s not for me sport is about winning. As you say our CEO is all about the next gimmick because they believe that will get the people in the stadium, well I?m sorry to say that is utter bo***cks results are what that matters and I have witnessed it, I saw all the empty spaces around me when we have been poor. People stay if we are winning it?s that simple. The gimmicks are fine if you have a winning culture, but we don?t have it then we as fans suffer the backlash from opposing fans when it backfires. Given how things are now I?m not even sure Alex Ferguson could have sorted this lot out. Player power wins because we don?t have the player base in the UK to replace the dissenters. I hope to god we get onboard with the NRL.
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| Unless the powers that be pull their socks up ,whether coaching staff or players, the club might not be considered good enough for any reduction in superleague clubs.
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