No, just that some fans like to forget we've made the last 6 Grand Finals.

But I agree that the yield of titles from the number of consecutive Grand Final appearances is rather embarassing.

Back to topic though, I agree with some people that Myler needs to become more vocal on the pitch and direct the play, however I certainly don't agree with making him a scape goat. Win as a Team, Lose as a Team is the motto I think fits well here. Shame Saints couldn't apply that philosophy when Royce was in charge.

At least we weren't the first team to win league leaders and not make the final. Any idea who that was?

Love this.

I've watched the tries in Widnes games this year and starting with Lautiti walking past Clarke in round one, I've subsequently seen him trying to grab shirts in many of their other matches this season. He's gash. End of!

As for Myler, he's not hitting the straps really but the team collectively haven't been great and we got found out on friday. My biggest concern is that there doesn't seem to be any notable biff in the forwards. Carvell is nowhere near his best and don't get me started on Wood. Think he needs a week off. Morley has been generally ok but still, nowhere near his best. Chris Hill has been brilliant in my opinion. Since coming on at the Galpharm against Hudds he hasn't looked out of place. He's tough and works hard. Shame those with a shat load more experience aren't following him.

I like Waterhouse as he provides a lot of hard work. But I couldn't help feeling that Louis Anderson would have been useful for us on friday. We struggled to lift ourselves with either a big hit or a strong run and the longer the game continued, you could sense the Saints players knew they were physically in control. We needed to start hard and with no mistakes.

We achieved neither.

i used to like it wen we kicked off and gave them the ball first so we can set the tone and punish them wen they get the ball, only 1 player has done that all season and he was banned for friday!

We're passing the ball right on the game line and have done this consistently this season.
High risk play which isn't coming off for us. The forwards run from no depth and as a result we've little go forward with only Chris Hill and Bennie W making good yards for us.
Mick M looks like he is carrying injuries onto the pitch, can't fault his commitment but playing half fit in such an important position is compounding our problems.
How can we blame Myler for playing behind a beaten pack who consistently gift possesion back to the opposition? The fact that the forwards aren't doing the job puts more pressure on the backs to come up with scoring opportunities when we do get the ball. More pressure results in more mistakes. Bit of basics needed.

Don't know why lefty is ranting about scapegoats, not seen anybody blame Myler for the defeat. Never rated Myler when we signed him but he has improved quite a bit since signing, defensively and doesn't run down so many blind alley's as he used to, however his asset is his support play but for me it's not enough for a half back. If Briers is off he won't take control of the play.

Couldn't agree more and well put, one player wasn't to blame for the loss against St Helens, we were collectively very poor and St Helens were very good.

As fans we'll always have varying opinions on different players, some fans will like the style of a certain player where as other fans won't, thats called having an opinion, quite often on here a thread gets derailed and twisted round to suit someone elses own agenda.

Nobody has blamed Myler for our defeat against Saints, he's just one amongst quite a few of our squad that need to step it up there game, its not just Myler that people have pointed out for his below par performances, read around the forum and you will see that other people have mentioned the likes of Paul Wood, Gareth Carvell and even Moz who hasn't achieved his own high standards as yet. Michael Monaghan even got his own thread about his below par performance against Saints which is very rare, he's obviously not 100% right at the min either due to lack of fitness or he's still carrying a knock.

Myler is not Briers, he plays a completely different game to him. The problem on Friday was the ridiculous off-loading by some of the forwards, which constantly gave Saints ball and territory. It was just about impossible for either Briers or Myler to shine at all. Why is no-one knocking Blythe for 2 impossible offloads, Paul Wood for having a poor game, or Gaz Carvell for being completely out of touch.
There are some very short memories on here, and remember we've only lost 2 games.

Just had a peek at Mylers stats compared to Briers and well they surprised me, they stack up very well. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

Just had a peek at Mylers stats compared to Briers and well they surprised me, they stack up very well. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2012

I think plenty of people have ripped into Carvell, Wood and Blythe, most of the post-match stuff was about them.

Yes, we have Briers to do a lot of the stuff, but he won't be here for much longer. If we're to succeed, we'll need Richie to start shouldering some of the offensive load, we have Briers, Monaghan and Hodgson doing a lot of it, but they're only getting older, Myler will have to start stepping up and taking over games for us. Yes, we have many players not hitting their lefty standards right now, but Myler needs to up his game regardless of form, for me, he could be so much better.

I'm "ranting about scapegoats", because we have a thread citing ONE player, who was by no means the worse player on the pitch, within half an hour of the game finishing.
Where's the thread about Wood, Carvell, MonaghanM stinking the house out?
That's right, there isn't one.
Why MUST we have digs against certain players? We win as a team, we lose as a team. But in the massed ranks of the stands, we MUST have a player to vent our frustrations on.
Clarke
Wainwright
Penny
Sibbit (second term)
MonaghanM and King in their early days
are just a few examples from the last handful of years. There's been plenty more.

Very rarely plays well in big games for me. Still improving as a player, his defence has improved just want to see more him with regards to creativity. He doesn't really strike me as a player yet who can 'boss' a game like Briers has done in the past.

Well to be a scapegoat somebody must blame him for the defeat, i've not seen anybody do that. I have seen most of the forwards take a bashing on most threads even if they don't have a dedicated thread (apart from monaghan). I think the thing with the players who were awful like Carvell for instance, we know because we have seen he can play much better he's a proven player. If he playe many more games like he did on friday, don't worry he will get his own threads.
Like i said Myler has improved as a player but he's not produced anything that i want from a half back on a consistent basis. He's not a bad player but he's not a great player either imo and it seems in others opinions and that's probably why he's got a thread about himself, he's not proven yet.