Skybet are offering 5/1 on South Sydney winning the nrl grand final. I'll be having a bit of that!

Bennett hasn't coached a team to a GF win since 2010. He will continue his losing streak this season.

Skybet giving kr a 16 start...and Leeds 4

Both teams to score 20 points and wire win 6/1

Warrington -38.5 at 15/2 for me

Wire to score 30 pts or more 4/5.

2022 grand final

Saints 9/4
Wire 7/2
Catalans 11/2
Wigan 13/2
Leeds 9/1
Hull 18/1

Saints & Leeds look the value there.

How anyone can make us second favourites & as short as 7/2 is absolutely crazy. I'd have us at similar odds as Leeds, or slightly longer.

I honestly thought they would be 6/1 or 7/1 behind cats and Wigan

If J Clark re-signs they should shove us out to 66/1

St Helens
2/1
Warrington Wolves
4/1
Catalans Dragons
13/2
Wigan Warriors
13/2
Leeds Rhinos
15/2
Castleford Tigers
12/1
Hull FC
16/1
Huddersfield Giants
20/1
Hull Kingston Rovers
20/1
Salford Red Devils
50/1
Toulouse Olympique
50/1
Wakefield Trinity
50/1

From Skybet.

Oh dear. It just builds up expectation which adds to pressure and bigger disappointment too.
It is always easier to play when the pressure is off. Mind you Saints have done so well when favourites ... but we have to admit they have got one hell of a squad.

I'm not sure that the players will believe and be affected by this. As a fan, I don't base my expectations on what the bookies say and it would appear that others on here don't as we all think the odds are too short?

Is it now fair to say that any expectation that is put on Wire, is pretty much done by people outside our own fanbase?

Apart from the ever optimistic Duckie, I don't know of many Wire fans who genuinely thought we'd be successful this season, and the same goes for next - Is it now just outsiders simply building up the 'Always their year' quip and trying to portray Wire fans as some poor, deluded bunch, when the reality couldn't be further from the truth?

Back onto the gambling though, what price is Dec Patton for Man Of Steel in 2022??...