Well exactly, with smith doing well but failing to win the GF and this last season....i hope that one positive to come from this is that we develop a ruthless streak to finally get us over the line. We have everything else in place bar the attitude/winners mentality of a big/successful club...and that goes for a large number of our fans too.

The funny thing is, there's a lot of Warrington fans bemoaning the thought of a Maguire or Wane type character having us playing boring rugby.

As much as I have loved the entertainment this Warrington post-'09 era has provided, I would swap it in an instant for the Wigan trophy haul during the same period. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned. I like the idea of being Champions - is that so bad?

I'd be interested to hear whether Wigan fans would do the opposite? Let's give a different coaching approach a chance to work.

Exactly. The public outpouring of grief and hand wringing on FB and WG shows the problem in a nutshell. We need to be harder. 8 Years and Money with the single target of winning the GF. The fact we lost 3 finals is neither here nor there. Thanks Tony for the lovely rugby 2009 - 2012 but sorry, you failed to achieve the key objective.

??? Wane has got Wigan to 4 Grand Finals in a row and won 2 of them! McD won a treble in 2015 and has them safely in the playoffs for 2016.

If Tony has achieved that we would not be replacing him. But he didn't, so we did.

I think we all want both but to swap trophies for nothing is like dumping Nicole Scherzinger for Susan Boyle.

I started watching Super League seriously after a friend Wire fan invited me to a couple of games in 2011; whether I would still be a fan six years on if the rugby that year hadn't been so damn good and exciting I really don't know. I can of course understand the calls for a more hard-nosed and trophy-focussed approach, but I give Tony Smith credit for a style of rugby that won over at least this fan of the other code. I know he had to go by the end but from meeting him with my young son I also know he is a very decent man and I wish him all the best.

Look at what I was responding to and then you will see why Wane was referred to.

Bet your life after the two cc wins the main aim was to win a GF, something he fsiled to do. I actually believr even TS himself sees not winning it as a big failure

Spot on, rf

Blowing a 14 point lead, conceding 30 unanswered points in 2013 merely underlines this. We bottled it, that night. We switched off, the moment Monaghan went off injured. By the time Ratchford went off, we were already "rabbits in the headlights".

Professional, hard nosed teams don't do that.
That's why Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Bradford have a stranglehold on the GF.
The new coach needs to be RUTHLESS. Not a glorified social worker

That 2013 final was when i first started to doubt TS. You see the likes of wigan, saints and leeds overcome adversity in big games....it even inspires them to perform better and they get organised quickly. Our reshuffling in that final was absolutely shambolic and we seeemed rudderless and to be making it up as we went along. It was very, very poor on the spot management.

You said the club's "single target" for 8 years was winning the GF, and used Smith's quote that "we will be going for both" as your 'proof'

I don't dispute that Smith failed to win a GF (!), and I'm pretty sure he will see this as a failure on his part. But I think you need to get over this obsession with the GF. Warrington were a successful team under Smith despite not winning a championship.

Edit: posted before you changed your original post, but I still find your argument incoherent (in one post you say he failed in his single objective, and in another reckon his tenure was successful?!?)