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Quote: sally cinnamon "What grinds my gears on the business about the war and soldiers is the competitive crocodile tears by politicians doing their crappy 'paying tribute to those brave men and women' in the House of Commons.

When the Gulf War veterans have been suffering ill health for 2 decades, the government doesn't want to know. They just say Gulf War syndrome doesn't exist and their lawyers remind them that the MOD has no liability.
When soldiers come back and are stuck on the dole, suffering depression and ending up turning to drink, violence or suicide, the government doesn't want to know. Unless it can put them in the criminal justice system.

But if a soldier dies then its good propaganda because it reminds us all just how vital their job is and how we all should support the war, and shows how much empathy our politicians have with the armed forces. Meanwhile the government is helping even up the odds a bit for the Taleban by cutting the resources and military equipment as part of the defence cuts but we're all in this together including soldiers.'"

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Quote: Live Wired "11/ all this sun-led, government backed " Help for heroes"

They are not heroes. A hero is someone who puts his own life at risk, whilst helping others. Not someone who fires at or drops a bomb on someone he neither knows or has a grievance against.'"

you my friend want to do a bit of research of what these guys do and the stories of helping each other in combat situations, you really think these lads enjoy being shot at and tiptoeing every step of their patrols wondering if the next step could cost them their limbs or lives You really think they want to be there leaving their families especially children behind crying not knowing whether they will return in one piece if at tall, go and pay a visit to quenn elizabeth hospital in birmingham and see and speak to the lads and girls in there whom are mostly in their late teens tell them "they knew what they were signing up for" your post has to be the most disrectful one i have ever had the displeasure to read on this forum

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Quote: paul kearsey "Luton Town fc
Simple Minds
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nowt wrong with simple minds..
another hate of mine and i would string them up by there what nots is the P.C brigade..and the health and safety brigade totally ruined this once great country of ours..and finally andy murray scotch git made my day when i heard he got thrashed in todays final..ha ha ha ha ha icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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the rugby player Sam Tomkins- defo<-- that grinds my gears

the guy who gives money and time in the Wigan hospital baby unit- not so much

and that is the really annoying thing. Annoyingly good player, who is a cheat, but yet a great bloke.

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and the [isilly people[/i that wear them.

prices ending in .99, it doesn't psychologically make me think it's cheaper and i pay by card so i don't need you to open the till for my penny.

metrosexuals

iPhones and people who queue over night to buy the latest gadget

people who don't thank me when i either let them out of the street or open a door for them icon_mad.gif

soya milk

children in restaurants (except fast food ones)

ambulance chasers

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Quote: Wire In The Final "
£16,000 p/a and the chance to develop skills, discipline and make friends for live. Alternatively they could come out of education, get a minimum wage job in a fast food restaurant and pee it all up against the wall every saturday night getting drunk and in fights.

I wish we could go back to the days where joining the army was a chance to "see the world", those that join nowadays do so full aware of what they may have to do.'"


The thing is the skills and making friends for life only really applies to those who stay in a lifelong career in the forces. For those who spend time in the forces and then come out then really you get two categories:

1. Ex officers, who are usually middle class, often university educated, and find that they are well placed to get a good business career because employers are impressed by their military background, discipline, leadership etc

2. Ex squaddies, who are usually working class, joined up like you said to avoid having a minimum wage job or being on the dole, were told that they would learn skills and get qualifications etc, but find that they don't transfer over to civvie street (if you've been a communications engineer on 1950s style equipment that the army uses, you're 6 decades behind the civvie private sector). What often happens here is, they get back, find their missus has been cheating on them and left them, often taken the kid, their old mates have moved on because how do you have stuff in common with last who have been spending the last six years getting bladdered down Wetherspoons while you have been doing patrols in Helmand. Plus there is the psychological readjustment of having been in heightened states of adrenaline all the time and now having nothing to do. The type of jobs they tend to get are security guard jobs in a supermarket, standing round watching no scallies pilfer the penny chews. The ex officers who now find that they are in good fast paced jobs, can replace the adrenaline rush that they are used to, and they also enjoy the fact they are treated with a level of respect by their peers because they were ex forces. But the problem for a lot of ex squaddies who come back is they genuinely have no mates here any more. A job I had about 10 years ago had a security guard there who had been in the Falklands and I remember him saying he hadn't had a friend to his name since 1982. Nobody knows who they are. The only way they get mates is being back in action which is why some go to work for private security ventures where they are paid huge money for the risk factor of being targets for insurgents guarding places in Iraq and Afghanistan. But they don't really care about the risk of being killed they just feel that they don't have life on the outside any more.

Really if there's one place for government spending programme to provide jobs its for ex squaddies, they are all disciplined and know how to turn up on time, do the job whatever the circumstances and man up. I would put them on some training programme as teaching assistants or something, or youth workers with kids who don't know how to behave. It's like Shane Webcke said when he retired from RL and then suffered depression for a year, when you retire you can't just have something to retire from, you need something to retire to...
Also some respect for issues like Gulf War syndrome needs addressing, if the MOD uses them as human guinea pigs forcing substances down them in combat, it can't duck out of the responsibility when they end up disabled for life...

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This topic wasn't really meant to ignite a massively political fire, but even so that's a damn fine post again SC.

Now lets just cover off religion and were done...

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Quote: Wirefan "This topic wasn't really meant to ignite a massively political fire, but even so that's a damn fine post again SC.

Now lets just cover off religion and were done...'"


god to me is existence of which i am one tiny tiny aspect. to find god you have to look into yourself.

the world is created in some form, i don't think there can be any doubt about that. the act of creation, however, is inconceivable. we are definitely, to my mind, experiencing an act of creation though. it may well be us who have created it.

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One that i forgot and was reminded of this morning...

Parents whose child is crying, and smack the child shouting at it to "STOP CRYING!!"
Like thatl work you f*cking muppet. icon_sad.gif icon_sad.gif

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Tim Lovejoy

Jamie Redknapp

Harry Redknapp

Ian Holloway

Berks, who have been stood in the payment area of a Supermarket petrol station for 10 mins, who get to the front of the queue, then finally look for their wallet/purse.

My next door neighbour, who is a filthy gobpooh bitch, who moved out yesterday....I hope you've taken your #0@ing rats with you, you dirty ......

biased sports presenters (especially the t055ers who can't help mentioning United when they aren't playing)

Druggie gobpoohs who get free methadone

Men under 5'6" who act like they're the dog's b0ll0cks....you're not, you're just small

People who say "like" and "so" in every sentence, as if they're on some corny American sit-com

Minutes applause (when people start whistling)

political correctness

poor road surfaces

today's music standards

bad manners

Chavs

Students whinging about their tuition fees when their courses are tosh/workers in certain jobs who whinge about their wage...you knew what the paypacket was, why take the job. Very few of us are happy with our pay packets, why are you any different

I need a lie down and a nice Scotch now

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "poor road surfaces'"


Agreed along with extortionate fuel duty.

And something else I forgot to mention earlier..........Tracy Barlow

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here I go again
"programmes" on ITV, such as This Morning, Daybreak, Loose Women etc, that have 20 minute sections talking about soaps, I'm a Celebrity, X Factor, Strictly Come Dancing, Dancing on Ice....

the British press

24 hour news

Chris Hollins (short bottom on Breakfast, who thinks he's a comedian, every time there's a sports bulletin to do).

Jonathon Ross

Russell Brand

workmen who don't turn up or ring to tell you they're running late

that good looking chunky girl (I'm not revealing her name) who used to stand in the middle of the Fletcher end 20 years ago, who's lost a lot of weight and is still really good looking now. GRRRRRRRRR

Soap Operas

voting on TV progs

Everyone who says Simon Cowell is a genius.... no he's not. He just knows what the Saturday night TV watching proletariat want to buy from his "stable of works"

Piers Morgan (has everyone forgotten about his libelous accusations re the British Army a few years ago)

Cheryl Cole and that monotonous voice

TV presenters who say "Elton John and his partner David Furnish". NO, IT'S HIS BOYFRIEND/HUSBAND

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "snip'"

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