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| Quote: Wires71 "Were the Nazi Party not the National Socialist German Workers' Party ?'"
No the SPD were the socialists in Germany. The Nazis were the ones who ran on a platform of curbing the power of trade unions and providing support for business interests, hence they were backed by big business and also the traditional conservative groups. They had a broad electoral support from the far-right and centre-right, but not from the left which was either SPD or KPD (Communists)
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| Quote: sally cinnamon " They had a broad electoral support from the far-right and centre-right,'"
Particularly the petit bourgeoisie...
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Osborne will be Chancellor, despite that not being popular with the Lib Dems, or even the Tory backbenches. Clegg will be deputy PM, Hague Foreign Secretary, Cable Chief Secretary to the Treasury, David Laws Schools secretary.
Other than that I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Huhne gets Home Secretary. Simon Hughes might be the 'big name' from the Lib Dems who misses out, or is given a compensation job - too far to the left, and too much of an individual to be handled safely by the Tories.'"
Clarke BIS? or will BIS go and we return to Education and Business/Trade departments?
Presumably they'll be true to their word on cutting the number of ministerial posts.... won't they?
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| Cameron will be in power for as long as it takes labour to elect a new (publically acceptable) leader. Then the Lib-demo will tell Cameron "referendum or we pull the plug", Cameron will agree, his backbenchers will say "no way", Cameron will agree and then we will have another election with the public thinking....." that was close", and Conservatives will come 3rd in the vote.
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| Well the chat on the political grapevine today was that the Lib Dems tried to push for Osborne to be replaced in the real Cabinet not by Cable, but by Clarke, which put Cameron in a difficult situation, because lots of Tories prefer Clarke as well, but seeing as Cameron is going to be having some disappointed Shadow Cabinet members who missed out on a post due to Lib Dems getting their jobs, sulking on the backbenches, he couldn't risk having Osborne as a big-beast figure around which they could focus a faction.
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| I sense multiple cabinet reshuffles over the coming months,
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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "NSDAP does not equal Socialist. I am not even sure why I'm arguing on this with you.
The BNP lost countless Council seats and were obliterated where they put all their resources. I haven't studied numbers of candidates which may explain the rise in the share of the vote. Maybe people decided to vote Tory rather than BNP as they knew they'd get a cap.'"
Is this wrong then?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party. 35% of membership from the industrial workers class. Also signed up to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "NSDAP does not equal Socialist. I am not even sure why I'm arguing on this with you.
The BNP lost countless Council seats and were obliterated where they put all their resources. I haven't studied numbers of candidates which may explain the rise in the share of the vote. Maybe people decided to vote Tory rather than BNP as they knew they'd get a cap.'"
Is this wrong then?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party. 35% of membership from the industrial workers class. Also signed up to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program
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| Quote: mikej " and Conservatives will come 3rd in the vote.'"
Not a chance....The Lib Dems are now consigned to a distant 3rd place forever after this deal with the Tories.
It is actually a godsend for the Labour Party, who will now recover all those disillusioned voters who voted for the Lib Dems and now who will feel soiled that they have actually helped to install a Tory administration.
As long as Labour get the right leader ( maybe 1 of the Millibannds, but definitely not Balls), and conduct a dignified, but effective opposition to the coalition, then they may even get back into government at the first attempt.
The Lib Dems should enjoy their moment in the sun, as from now on they can look forward to a regular thrashing in the polls, as people realise that British politics is truly a 2 horse race, and that a vote for Clegg's lot is no different to placing your X next to the Conservatives or the Labour party.
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| I can't understand the Lib Dem supporters who are angry at this ?
They voted for the Lib Dems because they wanted the Lib Dems in power and guess what, they are in power.
It will be a good balance for most, right wing and left wing compromising and meeting in the middle.
If the government do a good job i can see it benefiting the liberals but only if they do a good job.
People might think "hey they haven't done too bad lets vote for them solely" you never know with people.
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| Quote: Wire_Yed "I can't understand the Lib Dem supporters who are angry at this ?
They voted for the Lib Dems because they wanted the Lib Dems in power and guess what, they are in power.
It will be a good balance for most, right wing and left wing compromising and meeting in the middle.
If the government do a good job i can see it benefiting the liberals but only if they do a good job.
People might think "hey they haven't done too bad lets vote for them solely" you never know with people.'"
It is the floating voters that they have alienated, who will not be able to tell the difference between them and the Tories....These people will simply fall into the Tory or Labour camp, seeing the Lib Dems as simply a puppet for the largest party.
Make no mistake, any success this coalition has will be credited to Cameron, especially by the Pro-Tory media.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "It is the floating voters that they have alienated, who will not be able to tell the difference between them and the Tories....These people will simply fall into the Tory or Labour camp, seeing the Lib Dems as simply a puppet for the largest party.
Make no mistake, any success this coalition has will be credited to Cameron, especially by the Pro-Tory media.'"
Im not so sure, with the size of the egos in politics whoever has the idea will be shouting from the rooftops 'that one was mine'
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| Quote: Wires71 "Is this wrong then?
No, that's pretty accurate, but it's got naff all to do with socialism.
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| Please all those who went into the polling stations and were confused when they didn't see 'CLEGG' on the polling card.
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| Quote: The Angry Pirate "Not a chance....The Lib Dems are now consigned to a distant 3rd place forever after this deal with the Tories.
It is actually a godsend for the Labour Party, who will now recover all those disillusioned voters who voted for the Lib Dems and now who will feel soiled that they have actually helped to install a Tory administration.
As long as Labour get the right leader ( maybe 1 of the Millibannds, but definitely not Balls), and conduct a dignified, but effective opposition to the coalition, then they may even get back into government at the first attempt.
The Lib Dems should enjoy their moment in the sun, as from now on they can look forward to a regular thrashing in the polls, as people realise that British politics is truly a 2 horse race, and that a vote for Clegg's lot is no different to placing your X next to the Conservatives or the Labour party.'"
You could reverse NuLiebour for the Tories in the above if Labours craven attempt to remain in power had succeeded - at least there was a bit of dignity remaining within some of the Labs to read the writing on the wall and push Gordon out of the door gracefully.
Quote: The Angry Pirate "It is the floating voters that they have alienated, who will not be able to tell the difference between them and the Tories....These people will simply fall into the Tory or Labour camp, seeing the Lib Dems as simply a puppet for the largest party.
Make no mistake, any success this coalition has will be credited to Cameron, especially by the Pro-Tory media.'"
And these will be the floating voters that flocked to the Libs from the Labs in their droves? The Libs increased their share of the vote by 1%, Labs share fell by 6.2% so those angry and dissullusioned floating voters will be flocking back to Labour will they - all 68,000 of them??
Will admit that Clegg played a blinder and got more than he should have been given but Cameron was seemingly desperate to get in the door and get on with it/in to power. What happens next will happen but surely to God in can't be any worse than more of the "........ let's simply chuck money at it crap" that Blairs mob came up with.
[sizeNo more Mandleson!!![/size
[size*cracks open bottle of coalition nettle champagne[/size
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| Interesting to see that the inheritance tax reduction pledge got shelved straight away!
All that earnest talk from Cameron about wanting to reward families who "work hard, save hard and do the right thing, its the most natural human instinct in the world to want to leave something to your children". I did think this might be a bluff at the time because its not really affordable at the moment, but I can imagine that was quite a vote winning policy for the Tories so there will be some people who feel a bit cheated that the first day Cameron comes into no.10 that one gets put back to the "probably can't be achieved in this Parliament" category.
The other small print is that they are actually putting National Insurance up next year. The whole fuss about the "jobs tax" and how they were going to save businesses and save the recovery etc amounts to them keeping the employers part of NI contributions at the same level Labour had it....whilst putting the employees part (ie what we pay) up by 1%.
A good move is their plan to increase Capital Gains tax from the current level of 18% to take it up to 40%, that should stop some of the aggressive money-makes-more-money approach of people who are lucky enough to own property, so use it to buy more, watch the value rise, and sell at a huge profit, then finance more property purchasing etc. This has been a big reason behind the housing shortage and the real difficulty young people face in getting on the property ladder. Whether or not traditional Tory voters will welcome this as much as me is another matter though!
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