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Quote: Douglas Black "It's only incredible in your Fantasy League world. He was one of the hottest properties in rugby league at the time of his contract renewal. If we'd let him go you'd have bemoaned the club's lack of ambition and letting our youngsters go to our rivals/NRL. Did Simon Moran or Stuart Middleton cross you at some point?'"

I was one of the few who wouldn't have been bothered if we'd let king go. Saints played a blinder pretending they were interested, bit like when city claimed they were after Harry maguire prompting utd to pay 80 million quid!

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Quote: Douglas Black "It's only incredible in your Fantasy League world. He was one of the hottest properties in rugby league at the time of his contract renewal. If we'd let him go you'd have bemoaned the club's lack of ambition and letting our youngsters go to our rivals/NRL. Did Simon Moran or Stuart Middleton cross you at some point?'"

I’ve got more chance of playing in the NRL than Toby King!

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Quote: Douglas Black "It's only incredible in your Fantasy League world. He was one of the hottest properties in rugby league at the time of his contract renewal. If we'd let him go you'd have bemoaned the club's lack of ambition and letting our youngsters go to our rivals/NRL. Did Simon Moran or Stuart Middleton cross you at some point?'"


He had an amazing agent for sure. At the time I was not too bothered if he left, the hype was absolutely incredible then and looks ridiculous in hindsight.

He is 25, not a youngster, and he must be the one of the few 'hottest properties in world RL' never to never trouble the selection for their national side (I'm excluding the game for Ireland).

In truth once the high kicks to the corners dried up, so did the tries. What is it 10 tries in 2021? 4 tries since he signed the contract 11 months ago?

But the beauty of a forum is that we can all have different opinions.

Ignoring the last point as it is juvenile.

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Not here to gloat. It's not my style but it's crazy how much you are paying Williams for what he offers. When it was known he was available i wanted him back at Wigan but when i heard the numbers being banded about i was praying he signed for Wire. I desperately wanted Tomkins and Bateman back but they flattered to deceive. Not bad by any means but i was expecting more. That's where i was with Williams. I got slated by some on our board but during his time at Wigan i thought he was a decent half with an excellent tackling game. That's where it ends for me. For that kind of money i want a match winner. Somebody who drags the rest of the team with them when things aren't going right. Somebody who can spark a bit of magic and changes a game. I could be wrong, i haven't seen a lot of Wire this season but yet again, Warringtons big money is tied up in un-inspiring halves. Seems you do it every season. Never a prop or full back etc.

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Quote: Pie_Eyter "Not here to gloat. It's not my style but it's crazy how much you are paying Williams for what he offers. When it was known he was available i wanted him back at Wigan but when i heard the numbers being banded about i was praying he signed for Wire. I desperately wanted Tomkins and Bateman back but they flattered to deceive. Not bad by any means but i was expecting more. That's where i was with Williams. I got slated by some on our board but during his time at Wigan i thought he was a decent half with an excellent tackling game. That's where it ends for me. For that kind of money i want a match winner. Somebody who drags the rest of the team with them when things aren't going right. Somebody who can spark a bit of magic and changes a game. I could be wrong, i haven't seen a lot of Wire this season but yet again, Warringtons big money is tied up in un-inspiring halves. Seems you do it every season. Never a prop or full back etc.'"


I maybe in a minority but I just think Williams is bang average

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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "I maybe in a minority but I just think Williams is bang average'"


Don't think you are in the minority at all. I never feared him when he played for Wigan and I was surprised he did so well in the NRL.

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "Don't think you are in the minority at all. I never feared him when he played for Wigan and I was surprised he did so well in the NRL.'"

Williams is the best English half in the comp after Lomax.

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Quote: Wires71 "Stagnated on quality.

Bullock - Prop. Wigan deemed not up to their standard (as they did for Hughes) - he is doing OK but miles off Hill's stats.
Holmes - 29 second row - some nice assists.
Maguolias - second row / LF who has played 17 NRL games over 2 seasons for an NRL team that missed the playoffs. Are we hoping we have unearthed a diamond?
Harrison - Gamble signing from lower league, unproven at top level following 4 game trial with Leeds, unfortunate career threatening injury.

We desperately needed an international quality prop forward and together with Bullock we may have been OK.

I suspect too much of our cap is spent on halves and backs.'"


Wigan didnt play him due to other issues, mainly attitude

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Quote: Pieman "Wigan didnt play him due to other issues, mainly attitude'"


I said not up to their standard. That can include attitude, work rate, skill etc.

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Quote: Shabino "Williams is the best English half in the comp after Lomax.'"


No he's not, Trueman is.

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Quote: Pieman "Wigan didnt play him due to other issues, mainly attitude'"


I agree, but I agreed with Bullocks stance also

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Quote: Pieman "I agree, but I agreed with Bullocks stance also'"


What was it why they dropped him, I think it was early-ish in the season and it wasn't long after rumours of him going to Warrington started...I figured dropped because he signed for us ?

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Quote: Dezzies_right_hook "What was it why they dropped him, I think it was early-ish in the season and it wasn't long after rumours of him going to Warrington started...I figured dropped because he signed for us ?'"


Don't know what Pieman knows but i heard it all began with Bullock's timekeeping. Constantly late for training. That's what i was told, How much truth is in that i don't know.

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Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "I maybe in a minority but I just think Williams is bang average'"

During his brief stint in the NRL he was consistently a high performer, when Warrington do click Williams will start to impress and you'll see his worth.

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Quote: TrentBarrett "During his brief stint in the NRL he was consistently a high performer, when Warrington do click Williams will start to impress and you'll see his worth.'"


Agree with this, I've no concerns with Williams.

Bar the much discussed issues at prop and possibly 13 (Magoulias jury still out as he hasnt had much gametime) I've no real concerns with the squad itself. Currie, King, Holmes, Mata'utia have all come in for some stick recently, but I think they are more than capable of being in a Warrington 17 that wins a Grand Final, what needs to change is attitude, effort and structure. They are obviously low on enthusiasm right now, maybe they are unhappy with some of the changes behind the scenes - its difficult to know that from the outside. Maybe some of the established players will need to move on to allow Powell to stamp his authority on the squad, time will tell.

I'm still well in Powells corner on this, but maybe he came in and tried to change too much too soon?

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