So, just to be clear, We lose a final to Leeds having beaten them in the CC because we lack mental toughness. Saints lose 5 to essentially the same team but that was because Leeds were an exceptional team. Makes perfect sense.

Funny how you fail to mention the 2013 GF defeat to Wigan after being 14 points up at one point in the game before Wigan scored 28 unanswered points?

IMO if you are 14 points up at any stage in a Grand Final and the opposition score 28 unanswered points to lift the trophy then there was definitely a lack of mental toughness within that Wolves team on that occasion
Now that does make perfect sense

Brian McDermott coaching that side in 2013 and it would have been your year as they would have won it by plenty.

Maybe 2021?

Or injuries, significant juries causing major disruption may be a further reason.

That is a very silly example. Wigan did come back but blimey losing Monaghan & Ratchford probably was a teensy weensy factor.
Forget mental toughness in this one.

Joking aren’t you? The amount of leaks that come out the club fans will know straight away.

I mean I knew on Wednesday afternoon that Price was off next year.

The media are putting Lee Briers up as a possible, why would people think he would be a candidate.

This absolutely this.

It's just lazy journalism. Alternatively, perhaps they might have solved one of life's great mysteries and determined what he actually does and it turns out he is a frustrated genius of a coach being held back at every turn. I would put Hendo in front of Briers should a temporary internal appointment be necessary as at least he has head coach experience and to be fair sounds very knowledgeable when interviewed. Howeever, both have been part of the recent 'plodder' years regime so are either of them any good ?

It's just lazy journalism. Alternatively, perhaps they might have solved one of life's great mysteries and determined what he actually does and it turns out he is a frustrated genius of a coach being held back at every turn. I would put Hendo in front of Briers should a temporary internal appointment be necessary as at least he has head coach experience and to be fair sounds very knowledgeable when interviewed. However, both have been part of the recent 'plodder' years regime so are either of them any good ?

I agree, that team had already won 3 Challenge Cups by that point so its not like they were a team of big game bottlers. Also Leeds lost to both Warrington and Wigan in the playoffs leading up to that Grand Final and Brian McDermott was their coach so it is a bit of a stretch to say "if Brian McDermott had been there we wouldn't have lost..."

I agree with the Biff is Back's general point about Leeds being on a different level in terms of having players who knew how to win, you can't just shoehorn that into every single example as in any individual game factors like losing key players or getting bad refs decisions can be decisive. Over a long period of time luck should even out and when you count up trophies it tells the true story about Leeds and the rest.

The part that I think Wire fans get wrong about that era is when they say we had the best squad in those years. Leeds had a better starting 13 than us, even at our peak, because of their core guys of Sinfield, Peacock, Burrow, McGuire. We were both ageing teams to an extent but they had more miles left on the clock than ours. I would have swapped their squad for ours just to get their core You knew that core of players was well set up to win.

In that era I usually felt we would be stronger than all our opponents - I fancied us against Saints, and against Wigan we were evenly matched but I felt we had the edge. Against Leeds it was different. In the 2011 home semi and 2012 GF I felt apprehensive before the game and during the games there was an aura of extreme pressure, even when we were ahead, I always felt like Sinfield and co had a measure of control even when behind. I wonder if the players felt the same.

Did it need the core changing or would Sinfield in our team in, say, 2011 been enough? For a start, he wouldn't have been able to kick the penalty in the semi final that year!!

Good post that Sally

There is no simple answer though is there. If it was such a steely spine how did they lose to us in the CC.Sporting contests at their best are about the finest margins. Look at last years GF. Nothing to choose between the teams but it gets won on a fluke

If that's the case with all the "leaks that come out of the club", we'll know who will be the coach for 2021 and how much time they have to asses the squad.