Pretty clear as mud to me that the issue arose during the Wakey game, and involved 1,6, and 7, and still does.

How can it go further back? It’s been going on for almost 20 games give or take the odd win. Saying it worked in game one and two this season is like saying ‘well it worked in the cup final’, when we were garbage either side of it.

Can’t help but think you’re giving Steve Price and a group of players who have clearly under delivered for far too long, far too much credit here.

It didn’t go on preseason 2020 for the games vs Pies and Saints.
So nothing before that counts.

How can you say it doesn't count?

If you run a business and towards the FY end sales show a sharp decline, you make no real major changes, and then the first month of the next FY things improve briefly only to then return to the same decline immediately after, you don't put it down as a blip, clearly something is majorly wrong with the product or service. Same here. There is a problem stemming from 2019 and it's continuing in 2020. Change is needed and quick. It feels like confidence in the hierarchy is lost, and once that is lost you've had it.

On the whole we have been awful on the field since June 2019. Our team only decided to pull their collective fingers out and defend for 80 minutes against Hull at Bolton and Saints at Wembley (2019), then Wigan and Saints (2020). Our current situation stems from not addressing the attitude (especially of the pack) since then (June 19). Our troubles have not just started since Gelling's suspension.

Doesn't count only because you say so?

Six wins in 19 Super League matches.

Scoring an average of 16 points per game in that time.

Not won away since July.

Poor attitude, devoid of any ideas in attack, lack of flair, clunky, lack of discipline and an over reliance on two ageing and over used props. All relevant to last year, all relevant to this year.

Our deficiencies on the field this season and the fact we’re the third lowest points scorers in the league has nothing to do with Gelling and nothing to do with Hill’s sending off.

It’s poor coaching, it’s poor tactics, players with a bad attitude and a coach devoid of any attacking nous whatsoever.

I don’t get why you want to add on last seasons results. They have no bearing on what preparation was done in close season for 2020.
Did you think after Pies and Saints...we were in the form as where we left off in 2019?

Er yes.

Goodness me, have a nice cuppa, a jaffa cake and relax. I agree with you, I'm just hypothising that the sudden absence of Gelling, a popular and larger than life character, may be a factor.

Spot on the failure to rectify very poor performances against Salford were/are symptomatic of how bad things were and showed a complete lack of desire and effort by the team and coach to turn things around. That attitude seems to exist this season and needs to stop now

I stopped reading when you assumed a single Jaffa cake would help. Show me a bloke who can eat one, then feel no guilt at devouring the box...then I’ll read on.

So why are you calling for Price to go after only 2 bad losses? Give him a chance surely.

I actually think the team underperformed for the majority of last season and we are back where we were, the only realistic change we can make is to the coach and I’m now in the sooner the better camp. Holbrook at Saints shows the difference a coach can make to a team.