But this was the exact point I made. Clark was a genuine talent who had flourished at a bottom of the table Cas and had that experience of adversity, but then came to Warrington at a crummy time for us and STILL struggled and fell away massively when he arrived.

From an England fans point of view I genuinely think we have missed out massively on what Clark should have been. He has been nowhere near the player he should have been. Maybe all the rumour about him wanting to be back in Yorkshire at the start didn't help. This year he has been superb but in a completely different way and style to the player that won the MOS, yes players need to adapt and change their game to suit but for me he genuinely should have been Englands bench 9 then starting 9 for years with and then taking over form Roby. I wonder how he will look back on his career when it is done

Not really, he wasn't Man of Steel but he didn't fall away. He seemed to manage to play well last season. Are you saying that things at Warrington were that bad that nobody could be expected to have played well? Someone must have been doing something if we got to four finals. Ben Currie came through at this time and was showing international form before his injury problems. Toby King also came through and has established himself in the last year or so.

If a player is really top quality, he doesn't need excuses making for him. We will see over the next couple of years, if Patton really is a top class halfback able to lead a team to the SL title he will either force his way past Brown this year or will leave and go to another club and dominate there. But if he ends up moving on and being a so-so player in a mid/low ranking team, perhaps the story will develop on here that he COULD have been a great, just those early days when he came through and things were 'difficult' at Warrington must have ruined him forever!

Class shines through regardless of circumstance/teammates, how many more excuses is he going to get...HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!! Someone name me one, just one blinder he's had for us. I don't mean a game where he's done the basics well and played well....I mean a stormer or even one absolutely class pass or kick will suffice. All the coaching in the world or playing him alongside the Kangaroos will not give him an extra yard of pace or help him make decisions half a second quicker.

Or your agenda with singling me out?

Note how you always fail to enter reasoned debate on the subject and just issue proclamations which, with hindsight, have shown time and time again to be not worth the keyboard you mash them out on.

This nails it. Keep players that are mid-table (at best) quality and don't be surprised when we don't achieve.

Blimey. We had a super season last year. We have a much better looking squad this year.
Come on happy jack ... cheer up.

We were in both finals last season, the squad looks stronger, reasons to be cheerful 1,2,3!

Personally, I think Patton should be out of the club. He's rarely had a stand out game, just done enough to earn himself a contract. Don't get me wrong, I want the lad to succeed, I just don't see it happening any time soon.

He MUST [ihit the ground, running[/i, when he's given the chance, otherwise O don't see the point in him being here. He did the square root of nowt, this year. Price barely played him. He MUST make himself undroppable by Easter, otherwise it's a career of Widnes- Rochdale- North Wales - early retirement.

C'mon, lad. Ball's in your court, now.

I think that's about right lefty, we want him to succeed but so far he hasn't really looked anything other than a deputy really when he comes on. He looked hungry when he first came in for sandow but I don't think he has since really.

I agree we had a great season compared to 2017 in terms of making two finals.

And if the progression into 2019 continues then we will have a season to look forward to.

We were debating an individual player rather than the team as a whole though?

As a bit of advice though I would from making remarks about people's mental state in this day and age of awareness.

Do you not have a bad word to say about any player? Or is it OK to kncok players like Roberts or Asotasi, just not Patton?

I should hope the players avoid this forum, and professional sport with spectators, if they are sensitive to criticism.

I reckon most people are a sensitive to criticism of their job and players will be. I don't see why you can safely assume players or their friends/family won't see your comments.
As to my personal views on any player I try not to criticise individuals e.g. Roberts, Asotasi or Patton. It doesn't mean I can't see the problems.