Nope totally Agree .

The point i was trying to make at the time was if Kev had kept to his wing the gap would had been between the centre and the second row , although he would have also been critisized for leaving his centre out to dry .

A no win situation , as you say Matty Russell suffers the same outcome.

So when did Brimah make the Dream Team?
To answer your second point the hounding of KP at Knowsley Road went beyond anything I had previously experienced. This was a player who was new to the game, who was a breath of fresh air and could have developed very quickly. Obviously you don't agree, but the you are a Saints fan, so you wouldn't.
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm giving my opinion, if you don't like it ignore it.

Blaming Saints fans is a little laughable... a great player will be a great player whether they get some boos or not. There are lots of quick players who are capable of scoring good tries, doing it consistently season after season is the hard part.

Penny had good pace and agility, outside of that he wasn't much of a rugby player which explains his career, not some opposition fans chanting his name.

I still maintain that with Kevin Penny's speed, knowledge of the game, positioning on the wing and his defence, the best position for him is on the wing ....... with a flag in his hand.

I dont think they did anything personally it was all fair game. ...they did it because he was high profile..... I bet they dont sing songs about Lewis Tierney. ...

But Penny's still here and Chris Riley. . Rhys Williams etc aren't

Whatever happens to Penny he's played longer than many halfwits expected. He has shown tremendous character to come back from playing at Widnes and Swinton and come back a better player. He has come back from being dropped this season for no obvious reason and missing a wembley final , and shown great professionalism when brought back for Catalan away and showing what we had been missing and then to be dropped for the following games including the grand final. ..

He's a local lad. ....I'm sorry but I've never had some kind of envy towards him because of that and wanted him to fail like some of the bizarre folk that used to post on here. .....

If you had bothered to read the topic you will have seen that I posited that as 1 of a number of factors, I can't be bothered repeating them, people see what they want to see.

Nice to see that a thread hasn't gone off topic for once

Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?

Quote: Paul2812 "Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?'" 18th man saying we pretty much have: the18thman.com/2016/10/24/fifita ... -round-up/ And apparently Gidders and Sims both just followed him on Twitter.

Quote: Paul2812 "Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?'" 18th man saying we pretty much have: the18thman.com/2016/10/24/fifita ... -round-up/ And apparently Gidders and Sims both just followed him on Twitter.

HA HA I was thinking the same Raging Bull
Well if we still get Jorge Taufua i'd be a happy man, but I don't know if the overseas quota would allow it. Are we at max with just one overseas signing?

Looking at him in a bit more detail he can shift a bit and looks a great finisher. But 90% of his tries came on the right wing. Now with Lineham having a bit of form come the business end, and Evans not being the most generous of centre, how does this guy fit in ?

He'd be left wing or right centre I would think. After watching some highlights (not a true reflection I know) he looks alright to me. I'd take him and Taufua but doubt that we would have enough cap space for both. We only have 3 overseas now in sims, Gidley and Sandow so 1 space and then there is the kolpaks so it would likely all be down to having cap space.

I think if we were to sign the two, I would expect one or two loaners.

I haven't seen much of him, other than the highlights packages. Seems to have played plenty of right centre in 2016 so imagine he'd fit in there?

Naiqama & Atkins starting centres with King & Evans in reserve. Then wings of Lineham / Russell / Penny / Evans