No I mean Bridge and penny. I'd rather see penny replace Riley than Joel

Who plays centre to Joel?

Reasons to be cheerful;

1. TS has a pretty good track record at recruiting. I can't think of one of his Wire players that has really disappointed.

2. Briers and Morley only played in approximately half of our matches last year - we were already in transition in 2013. Yes, they will be missed in the decision making and marshalling side though.

3. We focus on a departing players strongest attributes when they retire, and think in terms of a direct replacement. We can not replace Briers, but a half decent coach will use the different strengths of his players, and adapt the play accordingly.

4. Whilst the top 5/6 teams are probably quite well matched, there is a gulf in ability to the next 7/8 teams. It is difficult to imagine us finishing below 5th. And look how close an unusually poor Saints side came to getting to another GF.

5. Both the CC and SL are knockout competitions. Any team in the top 5 on their day can beat any other team. Plus lady luck can also have a say -look what happened with Wigan in 2013, they had a bye to the CC final, then met a Hull side that thought they were the cast of 'comedy of errors'.


It will be a very different side next year, and I would agree that silverware is less likely. But we always knew that we would have to pay the price of a very stable squad at some point. Where I disagree with some of the other posts, is that I think the main price we are paying is 'uncertainty' rather than an uncompetitive side.

So what we're saying is we can't move two wingers and two centres about just to see what happens? Either way whatever we say on here won't make a blind bit of difference.

It's a forum for opinions, and in my opinion they would make a good partnership. I don't really seewhat the issue is.

Most are saying we won't do as well as we have in previous seasons. But the Bookies have us as favourites to win the League, the G/F & the CC.

Who were favourites last season?

Agree with a lot Winslade's, and to be fair with the departing players we won no silverware last year, so the changes can only get better (IMO)

At the start of the season I think it was Wigan with us as 2nd favourites. The bookies were right in that Wigan won the 2 major comps and we reached the G/F & in my opinion would have won if it were not for 2 injuries during the game. We also made the semi of the CC.

Last season the Bookies were spot on in making Wigan favourites & us 2nd favourites.

Last season before a ball was kicked warrington were favs in hills and betfred

I reckon Leeds target with the ageing squad is to win the challenges cup.

Warrington's best target looks the grand final

Right and from 5th and all, yes imagine all the uproar if that happenned. I agree we shouldn't even try and get back to Wembley and win the cup we've no chance too many challenges

I'm just catching up with the Sky Review of last season (it's very good, better than previous versions, although whether I'll watch the last 20 minutes or not, I've not yet decided). However, as you rewatch last season, it's so obvious that Wigan, Warrington, Huddersfield, Leeds and St Helens are the five teams who are going to be battling it out for the places in the Grand Final and I see no reason why this year will be any different.

I didnt say warrington shouldn't try to win the cc Rico!?
Personally given a choice I'd take the cc over all competition every time.

I do think Leeds can will all competitions this season and settled class side of ageing players wont hinder them unless they suffer injuries.

Pound for pound 1-13 leeds stand out as the best.
Saints look 2nd best.

Betfred have us at 13/10 to win either the LLS, the CC or the Grand Final.