Personally i see ir as season ticktet holders want it all there way.correct me if im wrong but do you get 13 games for price of 10 plus first challenge cup game free and a load of vouchers for discounts for various things.?? Do season ticket holders see themselves above all others?? As you can guess im not a seadon ticket holder for simple fact i work shifts ive often had to use holidays to go to games.my aim in the orignal posting was not to aim it at anyone in paticular but when we have 8000 sth and we have roughly 5000 fans at the game i rest my case.

The fact is people are not going through the turnstiles to this so called pinnacle of the season. Therefore something needs changing. If you always do what you always did you will always get what you always got.

You sound really bitter about ST holders.

Although the numbers through the turnstiles are significantly down on their league games attendance, how do you know if of that 5000, they are all ST holders, none are ST holders or 50/50? Fact is we don't. It's probably a combination of your walk up fan who attends when they can and ST holders who have chosen to.

It's more a reflection on the playoffs aren't generating the interest on the fans whether they be "die-hards" or one who attends frequently and picks and chooses their games. Don't forget a one week turn around as well for some people may not be ideal and may already have other commitments.

Hence my call to increase ST prices to include the first 2 playoff games. People will still buy ST's, you're not asking fans to splash out at the business end apart from meaningful games and we'll have more or less full stadia. Add to that, the prize pool will be increased through more sales and the playoffs might just generate the atmosphere that these games deserve. Teams who don't make the playoffs or only play one game get a discount at their club shop. Win win situation in my eyes.
Just an example... Saints would have their 10/11K ST holders through the doors, it would be the 1st game our ST holders have to part with cash almost guaranteeing a full house.

The simple fact is that people won't pay for what they don't think is worth their money. The playoffs are too expensive. Not my words but the message from the fans. Either there should be a reduction (this 2 game cobsolidated price) or something extra needs to be offered.

I'm no business graduate, but ithat's my theory... In fact, it's a bit rich calling it a theory; observation.

I don't think the play off games could be added to a season ticket because I think most of the money taken goes to the RFL.

home game your an armchair supporter we have a few in hull as well but your lot took the p'''

One other factor is the timing of matches. In the period I would call my ‘hey day’ of watching Wire, we played on a Sunday afternoon, or even Saturday in my very early days. We did have occasional Friday night away games, but these were not the norm. Going to the match became a habit, I would arrange my life around the Sunday afternoon, and you could plan months in advance knowing when you would be playing as the fixture list was fixed.
These days, although I admit I am probably not as fanatical, and not what people on this site would refer to as hard core, I am still passionate about the club I have loved for years, but playing matches whenever Sky dictate has broken the my habit. I now go when it is convenient, and I’m afraid that does not include Saturday evenings. That is the reason I personally was one of the missing thousands on Saturday, but there again, despite what anybody thinks, it is my choice.

Blaming season ticket holders for not turning up as though they let the side down is madness, especially when it is based on zero facts whatsoever.

Im a season ticket holder yet went to only 8 of 13 games. I tend to miss the big games cos they are played on a Friday night for Sky's benefit and I cant guarantee getting there. I end up going to all the less glamerous ones, the same ones the walk up fan probably aint bothered with.
I went on Saturday.

The playoff format is to blame for the crowds, too many games, all on tele.

well said, the fact that a team that was proberbly going to get beat and still took 2500 to an away game 3 hours away shows how big fc are, a sleeping giant, one of which looks like there on the way up after afew years in the doldrums...
the overall attendance from wire was little short of embarrasing to be fair, for a team who have won the cc this year and are a favourite to win the gf it pains me to see the state of rl at the minute, granted £26 on the door is an utter scandel and one in which the great club of warrington need to address pronto...
big team, yes, big club- no im afraid...until the mentality of certain glory hunters changes, that will always be the case....

True.

The way round this would be ST holders swap their voucher for a match ticket and for each match ticket sold/swapped, the ticket price is forwarded to the RFL. Your club would therefore act as a bank holding the cash in advance and paying it when required to the RFL. Any ST holders who don't swap vouchers for a match ticket for whatever reason, say they cannot attend, are entitled to a discount in the store by a certain date. If not used by say for example, new year, this value is lost to the ST holder.

It's not going to drag people to the game. You'll always have people who can't attend or just don't want to go. That's entirely their choice. But it gets rid of the hurdle to ST holders where they feel they are being unfairly treated by having to pay again as what seems to be said over and over. Non-ST holders can pick and choose as they like throughout the campaign.

This is only an incentive, I think the attendances themselves prove not everyone is buying into the play-offs like Sky want us to believe. How you solve that is the question.

I think the issue is we all know that a system where you can finish 8th out of 14 and still be crowned champions is a farce ! The play offs would be taken a lot more seriously (and so be better attended) if the RFL slashed the number of teams involved right down (top 4 possibly?) and cut out all second chances

No clubs will be out of pocket due to the money taken in advance and only paying out to the RFL on who takes up on the incentive but I take your point. You can make all the offers, incentives, etc in the world but if the product is crap, people just won't buy it.

What was so special about the Hull turn out? We've taken more to their place the last two seasons for league fixtures.

We got 2000 more than you in week one though. Plus three hours isn't that long a journey, run-of-the-mill for a football fan.