The atmosphere of a Wigan match is never going to be the same as playing Salford i know. Also it depends on what happens in the game. I am not obsessed with singing songs, i go to watch the rugby but singing/chanting has always been something that happens when you go to any sporting event and is use to get behind the team. As for the drums, i don't think we need another thread on that.

im going to come over all simon cowell here*yuk) and say thats probably the worst retort i've ever seen on here.

FACT

Just trying to be helpful to a fellow Wire, but, hey each to their own?

Also, don't limit yourself to Simon Cowell, (has he ever said such a thing, or did you thrutch up your waistband whilst typing?), when there is a whole catalogue of Oscar Wilde you could have chosen in the classic retort department.

its modern day, i'm trying to be down with the kids and pop culture-ish.

if this is the way the wind is blowing, let it not be said that i dont blow too.

I'm not going to name names but I think I know the lad crouching down. I've seen that photo before and it never clicked until now. If it is him I think he used to play for Rylands. There must be others on here who have played for Rylands and can confirm this. If it is him, I used to go every game home and away with him in the early 90's.

I always thought those 3 goons were Saints or Wigan fans having a giggle. I'm probably doing them too much credit.

As for singing, I'm 34 years old. I don't sing anymore really. At the risk of getting into a tiresome debate about what a "supporter" is, I don't think it's my job to sing. I'm there to watch the game and support the club generally be coughing up my hard earned. Same reason I spend north of £150 a quid on gear in the club shop, I don't need it, but it's something I'm proud to be associated with and they need the cash.

SEB is right about the atmosphere. There were some truly awful days at Wilderspool in every sense of the word and The Fletcher Street End was not the cauldron of sound people think it was. Similarly, when the H & J is rocking, it's at least on a par with the old place, if not better.

we should have a song that kindly asks anyone with a drum to 'please cease banging that thing with immediate effect'.

Ultras are not hooligans. I've spoken to a number of fans from numerous countries around Europe over the last few years (Poznan, Aris, Napoli, Sporting) and all of them confirmed to me that Ultras are the colourful and noisy fans of a club. Hooligans are hooligans. The British media started getting this mixed up quite a while ago and it has stuck ever since.

"Bang that thing once more and the sticks'll be up yer ar$e and the drum over your head"

I don't like drums. If they were a bit more subtle then they'd be okay, but no matter what sport or club it is, the drummer will be bashing out of that drum and it sounds crap. It all sounds a bit forced. Give the drums a rest and i reckon within a season we'd have a better array of songs and more spontaneous singing.

Tom Hark is a hundred times worse than the drums mind. Nothing ruins an atmosphere more than music after tries/goals.

Spontaneous celebration reduced to mindless clapping along to generic rubbish in an instant.

Spot on!

Amen.