| FORUMS > Warrington Wolves > Garreth Carvell, best prop in the league this season ? |
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[quote="boz the warrior":2j6vfnh9]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:2j6vfnh9]
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| Quote: Judder Man "I don,t think it does. Graham by his stats puts in twice as much effort in a game than Carvell. If Carvell tried to do the same carries to achieve the same metres he would probably fail as he would probably run his energy level down and be less effective.'"
If we're going off stats, then you're wrong, because the metres per carry shows:
Graham - 7.08m per carry
Carvell - 7.54m per carry
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What would James' stats be like if he played for Wire or Hudds? (don't get in to a silly debate about cap etc)
I bet they'd be completely different.
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| Quote: oli30045 "If we're going off stats, then you're wrong, because the metres per carry shows
Although Graham rounds each carry up to 10m by taking two steps off the mark each time.
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[color=#0000FF:1a6njd9t]NOW THE WIRE![/color:1a6njd9t]
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| Quote: Judder Man "I don,t think it does. Graham by his stats puts in twice as much effort in a game than Carvell. If Carvell tried to do the same carries to achieve the same metres he would probably fail as he would probably run his energy level down and be less effective. In game terms we would be asking for Carvell to put his 80 min game into each half of the game, I don,t think he would be capable of it, Morley in his prime Yes, Carvell NO.
This is why Graham is such a great prop and why the NRL have recognised his ability to provide momentum and metres.
His tackle busts and tries scored is probably one of the highest for a prop in super league this season, certainly more than Carvell.
The Australians recognised Graham,s quality at under 18 level, when he played as captain for the great Britain academy team. In the final match of the series he stood up and put in an awe inspiring effort to win the game for his team. These qualities have migrated into his super league career. Carvell is a good prop playing in good form at the back end of his career. Graham in good form is world class and with 5 or 6 more seasons will get better.
So the original question is Gareth Carvell the best prop in the league this season, in certain games YES, for his club YES, in this superleague season NO.'"
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[quote="boz the warrior":1udbj28j]lee briers is a nice person whoooo luck at lee forming a scrum the wire bum banger[/quote:1udbj28j]
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all wigan trained! goalpostchangingfantasticum!
wtf does it matter, your glory team of the 80's consisted of many players who were bought for cold hard cash!
i now am getting sick myself of all this bickering(i never thought i'd say that!)
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Don't know if this has been mentioned in an earlier post because i couldn't be d trawling through all the other pages but statisically Paul Wood is your best prop.
He beats Cravell and Morley in every department.
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All I did was say Jeff Lima.....
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| How about we think of this from another angle.
We know Carvell makes su0per human metres per carry.
But stats are clouding the issue. where we need instead look is, maybe, peer awards.
Graham was a man of steel... a while a go.
How many MOM on Sky have each maan won/ times showed.
How many games have they been on the winning team?
These too are flawed but are just as adaptable as stats.
This will most likely always be personal preference. And Roby isn't as good as Monas.  |
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Yeah - your right jd.
I'd be happy with either Graham or Carvell in our '4'.
Carvell has stepped into the void left by Moz missing out and is really showing how good he is.
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Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.
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| Quote: Smalls "So went to school and was raised in Warrington was he? Your best and key players are from St Helens, Salford, Sydney, Widnes, Bradford, Wigan need I go on?'"
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Who cares as for as am concerned gaz is having a excellent run of form. I really don't give a fig about graham or any second rate prop from wigan as long as the wire props do the business
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I'm sorry, ladies and gents, but this arguement has really got nothing to say now
We think Carvell's great, Stains think Ginger Testicles is great
They're both briliant (although, Graham is clearly better, BUT, he is a bigger nob than Jeremy Kyle, whilst Carvell is more of a "level headed" player)
Stats, are very over-rated, and are just a tool used by clubs on a Monday morning.You can massage any stat to get to the point YOU want.
I can see with my own 2 eyes, that Graham is clearly the best British prop. Carvell, is a VERY close second.
One thing's for sure though, after Graham, Stains props are..... (insert your insult here).....I mean, Katy Perry...hahaha
.....and I don't know why Worriers fans are even bothering to enter the debate...their props are streets behind ours.....stats or not
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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp]
[quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp]
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt ".....and I don't know why Worriers fans are even bothering to enter the debate...their props are streets behind ours.....stats or not'"
We will see in a couple of weeks time. For the moment though, the key stat is that our props have helped us drop fewer points than Wire.  |
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| Quote: Deano G "We will see in a couple of weeks time. For the moment though, the key stat is that our props have helped us drop fewer points than Wire. ![]()
while ours have helped us win more games including dominating yours in your own back yard 
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "What would James' stats be like if he played for Wire'"
Graham under TS's tutelage? Now that would be a player. |
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