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Quote: sally cinnamon "This thread has been a lot more mature discussion than some of those on other boards but a couple of the posts on here just sum up my point.

This business where everybody seems to want to be in the know and pass and spread on gossip has always just seemed totally bizarre to me, it just strikes me as a load of attention seekers. If someone wants to get a bit of attention they can just come on the internet make a few cryptic comments and say "can't say officially on here but if anyone wants to know by PM I will tell em" then on come all the sheep "hey could u PM me pls mate", all wanting to give this sad act the attention for repeating a rumour which he/she has either read somewhere else on the net.

This happens in all the working class towns/cities, where most people have hard lives and have bugger all in their lives, but they all want to peddle gossip about people from their community who have actually made it, and usually its negative. All my Geordie mates who you would think would think the sun shines out of Alan Shearers backside, like to tell me that "great player, but if you meet him in person, he's a complete idiot", I've asked them, have you met him? and it's "no but ask any taxi driver". They all have the same stories about Cheryl Cole as well.

Wigan is one of the worst towns for this, I bet you any Wiganer you meet, will be able to tell you all sorts of stuff about Martin Gleeson, Martin Aspinwall etc, again it's all "my mate saw him out in town and this happened", but to be honest I could join in all these rumours as well....because I've read them all on the net. It happens up in Leeds where I live now, everybody up here has an Ellery Hanley story, usually related to anecdotes of his superhuman strength and success with the local females, I think some of them are just reworked Chuck Norris stories.'"


Martin Aspinwalls in prison right now.......so i think you can asume some tales from Wiganers are true.

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Quote: Roddy B "The PC brigade on here are embarrassing. Gleeson is a mug who's brought all this on himself, '"


Surprised it took till the end of page 5 for the PC brigade to be mentioned. How do you know he brought it on himself? I love the judgmental crap on here.

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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "Surprised it took till the end of page 5 for the PC brigade to be mentioned. How do you know he brought it on himself? I love the judgmental crap on here.'"


By brought, I meant the aggro he's getting at the moment. People don't have sympathy for Gleeson because of his antics through his career. Gleeson doesn't deserve sympathy. If this was an impeccable pro who has tried his utmost to keep a clean record through his career, I'd wish him well and accept that he's having a hard time of it. But he's not, so if somebody doesn't want to wish him well, they shouldn't be challenged by somebody documenting experiences of stress.

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Imagine if this time last year if Terry Newton had said he was suffering from stress and depression what would the response have been?

"He's a cheat/thug he's brought it on himself, I've no sympathy for him, he should man up, too many people are soft these days"

He knew he wouldn't have got any sympathy off anyone so he kept quiet about it and killed himself.

Then afterwards, people were saying why isn't there more support for rugby league players, the game should have done something to support him, before it got to that stage.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Imagine if this time last year if Terry Newton had said he was suffering from stress and depression what would the response have been?

"He's a cheat/thug he's brought it on himself, I've no sympathy for him, he should man up, too many people are soft these days"

He knew he wouldn't have got any sympathy off anyone so he kept quiet about it and killed himself.

Then afterwards, people were saying why isn't there more support for rugby league players, the game should have done something to support him, before it got to that stage.'"
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Don't know what support he is getting or the cause of this stress, but hope RFL have at least offered to see if they can help.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Imagine if this time last year if Terry Newton had said he was suffering from stress and depression what would the response have been?

"He's a cheat/thug he's brought it on himself, I've no sympathy for him, he should man up, too many people are soft these days"

He knew he wouldn't have got any sympathy off anyone so he kept quiet about it and killed himself.

Then afterwards, people were saying why isn't there more support for rugby league players, the game should have done something to support him, before it got to that stage.'"


Are you trying to say that, if people gave Terry sympathy, he wouldn't have topped himself? Considering we know little of Terry's mental state and/or reasons why he took his own life, I'm unsure whether public sympathy would have helped him at all. As for the 'league should have done more', that's an entirely different debate, as Newton was a player banned for taking an illegal substance, whereas Gleeson is just taking time off. If this time off prevents Gleeson from committing suicide, then that would be brilliant, but people shouldn't be expected to give sympathy. Gleeson's lived a much-scrutinized career, if people want to judge him from that, they are more than entitled to.

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What really angers me with some of the unsympathetic replies on this thread is the perception that stress is just like a bout of flu.Well maybe for a few the word stress means a few weeks off work but from my own personal experience stress usually leads 2 depression not to mention other mental issues so whatever wrongs Martin Gleeson has done he's a human being and not Jack The Ripper.

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Quote: Live Wired "This is taken from the Hull FC board, and sums up perfectly what an awful lot of people think.Myself included.

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You are aware that it is not the real Steve "Knocker" Norton who wrote aren't you?

The sad, clueless, heartless individual who wrote that was also shot down in flames because of his remarks and led to the thread being closed, yet again.

I'm struggling, as Sally Cinnamon also seems to be, to understand the fascination with delving elbow-deep into another person's private life and almost revelling in their problems.

I truly hope that you and the idiot you have quoted never suffer any mental problems and if you do, I hope you arer treated by someone with a little more compassion than you have so far shown.

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