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Quote: Alffi_7 "As far as I know yes, as long as a player doesn’t play in the season, you could pay them off with no cap impact. Would still cost us to pay off the contract obviously and I’m not sure what happens if we pay ‘some’ of his salary to facilitate a move to another club, does the amount we part pay count, or does none count as he isn’t our player?

Just increases salary cost at a time I’m sure we are trying to cost save.'"

I’m sorry. I just assumed based on what some other posters have said that we had a bottomless money pit (it’s just to the right of the money tree if you’re trying to locate it).

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So 2 props acquired, on the face of it both good signings. I can’t see any obvious criticism of these signings, They are not from Australia so no issues re families (although Yorkshire based players have been known to struggle), they can hardly be accused of being here for a holiday/pension top up. Mulhern seems a steady Eddie with potential to step up and Butler a bit of a young gun. Hardly “Hollywood “ signings but is that important.
We as supporters have spotted the weakness in the prop department, so have the club and they have worked to fill it. Are they due some praise? Is this a flurry of signings? My natural optimism is starting to reassert itself, throw the cold water my way.

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Quote: Captain Hook "So 2 props acquired, on the face of it both good signings. I can’t see any obvious criticism of these signings, They are not from Australia so no issues re families (although Yorkshire based players have been known to struggle), they can hardly be accused of being here for a holiday/pension top up. Mulhern seems a steady Eddie with potential to step up and Butler a bit of a young gun. Hardly “Hollywood “ signings but is that important.
We as supporters have spotted the weakness in the prop department, so have the club and they have worked to fill it. Are they due some praise? Is this a flurry of signings? My natural optimism is starting to reassert itself, throw the cold water my way.'"


No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Philth "No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough?

take crosby's family issues aside, his body was done, he's said in his retirement statement he's had injuries that hampered him from the time he signed for warrington, even before the family issue he was missing for a number of weeks. due to niggling injuries.

Also, as an aside, have you got your quotes turned off in your settings, it never loads in properly for some weird reason, looks odd.

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Quote: Philth "No praise yet. They've signed massive amounts of props over the past 4-5 years. It's not a tick box exercise, it's about the quality. As said, Butler could be a Hill or could be an England. Crosby was v decent at Wigan and obviously had devastating personal issues that turned him into half the player for us. The list of failed props at our club is lengthy.

Optimistic and excited to see them, absolutely, but based on track record, I wont be praising the recruitment until it's shown to be successful, else it's just clapping for the sake of it.

Cold enough? It’s more by way of an experiment. We can all look at a signing and with HINDSIGHT say he was rubbish, it was obvious he was going to be rubbish etc etc.
What I m asking is if you see something wrong in these 2 signings say it now, rather than after the event. The club don’t have a crystal ball anymore than we do but if a fan can identify a weakness in a signing in advance and the club didn’t then criticism is warranted (as it undoubtedly was in Latu’s case).
This isn’t aimed at you by the way, just a general comment.

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So now we’re stuffed to the gunnels with Props, what’s our tactics going to be?

I reckon it’s looking like 5 drives and a kick for next season

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "take crosby's family issues aside, his body was done, he's said in his retirement statement he's had injuries that hampered him from the time he signed for warrington, even before the family issue he was missing for a number of weeks. due to niggling injuries.

Also, as an aside, have you got your quotes turned off in your settings, it never loads in properly for some weird reason, looks odd.'"


Any better?

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Quote: Captain Hook "It’s more by way of an experiment. We can all look at a signing and with HINDSIGHT say he was rubbish, it was obvious he was going to be rubbish etc etc.
What I m asking is if you see something wrong in these 2 signings say it now, rather than after the event. The club don’t have a crystal ball anymore than we do but if a fan can identify a weakness in a signing in advance and the club didn’t then criticism is warranted (as it undoubtedly was in Latu’s case).
This isn’t aimed at you by the way, just a general comment.'"


I guess Butler has it all to prove and could be a dud and Mulhern comes with a decent reputation. So a bit of foresight.....Butler is a risk and wouldn't have appeased me in isolation but as I said earlier, thankfully they also have Mulhern so Butler doesn't get the pressure of being "the answer" and we get a proven SL prop...... I'm optimistic with these 2.

I guess approach is right, whether the asset is right should now be down to the coaching staff, especially with Mulhern

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Quote: Superblue "So now we’re stuffed to the gunnels with Props, what’s our tactics going to be?

I reckon it’s looking like 5 drives and a kick for next season

Happy days We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).

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If Mulhern is such a good quality prop, why have HKR let him go ? In fact, surely they should have received a fee from Wire as well as Johnson ? Why has he only had one game for the Knights back in 2018 ? So the verdict is out for me. There could be a reason for his release if HKR were paying a too high salary and needed to trim down due to the ravages of Covid on their budgets, but that is the only one I can think of.

With few decent props around, few are likely to be happy sitting on the bench or even waiting in the squad for a game, so we are certainly much better off than last season in that respect. But I think we are looking at two bench props here, brought in to give Hill and Coops a rest and with the hope that Mulhern can be restored to his former glory whilst Butler kicks on and develops into a first team pick.

I think the reality is probably that Mulhern was not producing the goods at HKR and neither was Johnson at Wire. So this was a clever swap whereby both parties could try their hand at getting more from the players.

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Quote: Winslade's Offload "If Mulhern is such a good quality prop, why have HKR let him go ? In fact, surely they should have received a fee from Wire as well as Johnson ? Why has he only had one game for the Knights back in 2018 ? So the verdict is out for me. There could be a reason for his release if HKR were paying a too high salary and needed to trim down due to the ravages of Covid on their budgets, but that is the only one I can think of.

With few decent props around, few are likely to be happy sitting on the bench or even waiting in the squad for a game, so we are certainly much better off than last season in that respect. But I think we are looking at two bench props here, brought in to give Hill and Coops a rest and with the hope that Mulhern can be restored to his former glory whilst Butler kicks on and develops into a first team pick.

I think the reality is probably that Mulhern was not producing the goods at HKR and neither was Johnson at Wire. So this was a clever swap whereby both parties could try their hand at getting more from the players.'"


you'd get disheartened playing in a team that keeps going through massive squad upheaval, nothing seems to getting any better, no chance of getting near a final, never mind winning.

We come a-calling, do you let him go and get something in return, or refuse and let him become disgruntled, eventually letting him go a few weeks later when the situation has soured and relationships have broken down.

The interesting thing here is that KR (for all the impressive performances he did last year on loan) have only given johnson a 12 month contract,

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Quote: Captain Hook "We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).'"


Surely the addition of icon_biggrin.gif at the end of every single post he makes clarifies everything he writes is a joke.

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Quote: Captain Hook "We wanted props, they signed props. You criticise the signing of props. Other than relegation what do you want?
(You are a Widnes fan and I claim my fiver).'"


Lol, I stated a fact, you took it as criticism , icon_biggrin.gif

But what do you really want?, and how far might you be prepared to go to achieve it. icon_biggrin.gif

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