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| Quote: Paul Youane "Reserve teams are not the answer as anybody who has watched a reserve game over the last three years will tell you.
Revert the academy structure to u18s and u21s with five over-age players permitted in the u21s, in effect a reserve team. Make it compulsory for all Super league clubs to run the u21s team as a minimum.'"
Is that not because so few clubs have a reserve side, or were not stocking it appropriately with players?
What would you say the issue with it was? Not high enough quality?
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| Quote: Alffi_7 "Is that not because so few clubs have a reserve side, or were not stocking it appropriately with players?
What would you say the issue with it was? Not high enough quality?'"
Quality was awful, we were including Rochdale reserves in our team to make the numbers up. What quality of players do you think Keighley have in their reserves? Hardly the right preparation for Super League players.
There was also uncertainty of fixtures taking place. Pretty certain in the final year we ran a team both our games with Wigan were cancelled as they couldn't raise a team. If they couldn't what chance the rest?
The problem I see is with the academy pathway stopping at u19 not many players at that age are physically ready for week in week out rugby, so where do you get game time for them? That's why I think u21s is right with the ability to play five overage players to cover first team squad not selected or returning from injury. The limit on five avoids stockpiling and will see the filter down of talent to their correct level continues.
The u18s and u21s structure use to be in place and was producing good quality Super League players. Those looking for a conspiracy theory could ponder over why the controllers of Wigan and Leeds, who had traditionally reigned at that level, were the two ringleaders in the switch to u19s and dual-reg at a time when Warrington and St Helens were starting to overtake them. I wonder which were the only rwo clubs to vote against the proposals?
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Reserve teams are not the answer as anybody who has watched a reserve game over the last three years will tell you.
Revert the academy structure to u18s and u21s with five over-age players permitted in the u21s, in effect a reserve team. Make it compulsory for all Super league clubs to run the u21s team as a minimum.'"
Whether it is formally a reserve comp or you U21’s suggestion I have no specific preference, but without somewhere for squad players to get a game then loaning out is the only other option.
This obviously has a knock on with “structures” building playing partnerships etc.
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| Quote: Builth Wells Wire "With all the forwards going out on loan. Does that mean that Ben Currie is on his way back?'"
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| Quote: Longbarn Wire "
It does. doesn't it...go on... you know you want to tell us..please..pretty please...
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| Steve Price might see how the lads perform in a more demanding environment then create a bit more competition in our pack when they are recalled.
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| Quote: Longbarn Wire "If what you say about tonight's game about Lineham & Atkins is true. Your word is good enough regarding Ben Currie.
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| Quote: Builth Wells Wire "If what you say about tonight's game about Lineham & Atkins is true. '"
BWW, what about Atkins & Lineham? Pray tell
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| Might be a little twist to tonights game by all accounts.....
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| [iThe u18s and u21s structure use to be in place and was producing good quality Super League players. Those looking for a conspiracy theory could ponder over why the controllers of Wigan and Leeds, who had traditionally reigned at that level, were the two ringleaders in the switch to u19s and dual-reg at a time when Warrington and St Helens were starting to overtake them. I wonder which were the only rwo clubs to vote against the proposals?'" ][/i
You would still need an U16's team as the age group is critical in their development (retention within the sport and best practice training). That would mean we were back to 3 age groups in the Academies and the Wigan / Leeds axis sold the new U16 / U19 structure on the basis of removing one layer of cost for the clubs.
Its also worth noting that Uncle Gary believes that you can determine if a player is going to make SL standard by age 19 - so it's not worth continuing their development any further. For him, DL is the only sensible option.
So, I don't think there is an easy choice of direction for the clubs. And with cost a sensitive issue it will be difficult to agree a new system without some additional funding. Unsurprisingly, most clubs would spend any additional monies that they have on better players and marquee signings to bring in the punters and a chance of a visit to OT. A steady number will even spend money that they don't even have in the bank ; Widnes, Leigh, Bradford etc . I am sure nearly all will recognise that unless the sport has a healthy pipeline of juniors coming through we are dead in the water, but clubs inevitably take a short term rather than long term view of their 'business / club'.
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| Quote: Longbarn Wire "Might be a little twist to tonights game by all accounts.....'"
Just so long as it's not a knee twist.
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| What happened to the Savellio thread?
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| Quote: Fatbelly "BWW, what about Atkins & Lineham? Pray tell
You need to read back a few pages on a different thread from LB.
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| Quote: Longbarn Wire "Might be a little twist to tonights game by all accounts.....'"
Is the Wire Flyer on the bench?
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