You've got to hope that changes are afoot, but, if we play you next year I hope it's away in the Challenge Cup as I fancy a day out

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Good luck and if you 'feel the need' carry on predicting by all means.

You're forgetting who we had out on Saturday. Add Clarke, Currie, Westerman, Cooper & Crosby into the pack with Gidley in the halves and it wouldn't have been close no matter what team you put out. Even with our current coaching issues.

are you saying the game is rigged..how dare you..agree with me

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A commonly held misconception. In RL, play-offs decided the champs from before the First World War to 1973, and for the past 19 years.

Rugby union, cricket, basketball, ice hockey, field hockey, netball: all use play-offs to decide their champions. Most British sports fans are familiar with the Super Bowl or baseball's World (sic!) Series.

Association football, and for a relatively short period of its history, RL, are the exception in British sport, not the rule. And even in soccer, play-offs to determine promotion are long established, whilst the top competition in Europe uses a mix of league and knock-out matches (despite its title of Champions League).

A play-off system to determine champions is therefore widely accepted; to suggest otherwise is to mis-understand the true nature of British sport.

Ok i take your point here, i personally still think its wrong and if Wigan or Saints who are currently 17 points adrift of Cas go on to win it i still can not have them as champions.

Good lord did I agree with you



There is more rigging in this game than there was at the Battle of Trafalgar

What is influencing RL, like many other sports , is that we are being run by & for the convenience of tv & betting companies. Probably Premier League football is too big to be pushed into a play off system,which would be too difficult to fit into an overlong season anyway.

I'm still convinced that each year, a "big" club will be dragged into the middle eights to provide excitement. I guess only the next few years will prove me deluded or correct. I find it very strange that that both Leeds and us can perform a ccomplete 180 and go from top to bottom over the course of a close season. It's all a game. And Yes, I'm aware how bonkers that all sounds.

Why? Surely the powers that be want the more profitable clubs to be competing at the top of the table. Just compare our crowds this year to last!

"The Warrington people hadn't had success for a few years, but there's no speccy in the world as good.
They are very knowledgeable and appreciative of hard work. What they like is honesty. They want the team to try; if they fail, they fail, but they expect honesty.
They know when players don't put it in."

Mike Gregory from 'Biting Back', talking about the loss in the 1990 CCF v Wigan

As relevant, if not more so, than it was after that defeat 27 years ago.

What I want most of all from my Warrington team is that they always try their best and never, EVER, take the p155 out of the fans by cruising through 80 minutes, or as 'The Untouchable One' puts it, being flat.

I presume no one is seriously suggesting our game is fixed. Hetherington (supposedly the arch manipulator) agreeing to Leeds being in the Middle 8's last season, SJM agreeing this year, London in the Championship, Catalan at real risk of relegation. Where is the benefit to any of this? Supporters despairing the type of rugby they are seeing (not just us check out Wigan and Saints forums), when if the game was fixed a choreographed product to a much higher standard would be manageable. Wingers scoring tries ala Penny v.1 would be the norm.
Nope its plain old incompetence together with a headlong rush to the lowest common denominator.
I truly worry for the future of the game if standards across the board don't improve, and improve quickly.

Great quote. I believe some of our players have been putting in less than 100% at multiple points through our season, and that alone is totally unacceptable. Any coach that can either not spot that, or allows it, or cannot stop it, needs to be shown the door too.