Personally i think it was a joke that Tomkins was getting the stick he did, it was probably a load of chavs who were p1ssed on shandy, the Rhinos need to look at the ratio of beer to lemonade that they are serving in their shandies.

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Really, well i was about 20 feet away from King when he did it and about 10 foot from the guys who were saying it, but you carry on with your i'm better than everyone else on here attitude.
Knowing people at the club doesn't make you any more of a fan and superior to everyone else mate.

As much as i hate Sam Tomkins it was wrong to boo him. Couldnt get over it, were they Leeds fans ?

I would never boo an England player

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So you're not a fan then

All teams, in all sports at some stage have players like that, and if he didn't play for Wigan I'd hate him too.

I genuinely don't get the booing though - I've hated Sean Long for over a decade (as is my job as Wigan fan), but when he put the England/GB jersey on he got support like every other player. Admittedly, it was a bit of a relief at Full Time when you can go back to hating him in good conscience

I was just telling the gliding warrior bloke why people don't like him, as he said nobody ever provides reasons.

Never heard of him kicking a player in the face as he got up to play the ball. Disciplinary must have come down on him like a tonne of bricks for that one eh? how long did he get? Never seen him punch Westwood either, though funnily enough I did see Westwood punch him. Not sure what you mean by "starting" on Matt King. It's all gone a bit vague again hasn't it. Maybe you could post some video links so I know exactly what you're on about. Otherwise shall we assume you're just talking out your ?

Sorry to go against the grain but i found it midly amusing. Given that the game itself was largely dull I cant blame the fans for making their own entertainment and i guess Sam, given his cheating ways, is an easy target. Im sure if was a proper test game against the aussies or kiwis then there would have been none of it.

Not at vague at all. So you've never seen him kick out as he's getting up to play the ball and catch somebody in the face? Done it loads of time and been warned by the RFL. He punched Westwood before Ben cracked him. CC semi at Widnes in 2009 he started on Matt King after the ball had gone dead, King laughed at him. Check avatar. I'll excuse you from missing that as most Wigan fans missed the game. I don't need to post video links as all these incidents are fact pal. I'll put it down to you either being A) Incredibly biased B) Thick as foook. I apologise in advance for embarassing you and making you look an utter bellend.

His attitude has caused this. I have cheered on Farrell, Sculthorpe even Long over the years when on the international scene but i find it hard to cheer Tomkins. Dont have any time for the lad and the way he goes about it on field, he is a great player but has the attitude of a poor sh**bag player you will come across in the lower leagues of north west counties where they are just after a fight.

Option B I reckon.

I seriously don't get the Sam hatred thing. Kicking out in the tackle? Are you talking about the time someone lifted his leg as he was doing it to make it look 100x worse? (and they did lift it, no doubt about it). Westwood threw the first dig at Sam there, no doubt about it.

Sam bends the rules with holding people down and such, but is that worse than McGuire purposefully tripping someone off the ball? Or Ablett/Howell elbowing Tomkins in the face at full speed? People say he feigns injury, but yet when he inevitably gets smashed high/late he just gets up and carries on, and makes the opposition pay for it with his performance.

People talk about how Tomkins talks to the ref, Kevin Sinfield does that constantly throughout every game, James Graham shouts and swears at referees, they don't get booed.

Sure, Sam does things that will inevitably wind people up, but there are so many other players in the league that do things far, far worse, and yet not a single one of them would get booed playing for England. It's because people don't like him because he's good, and they try to justify "hating" him by trying to blow other things out of proportion.

As for the lad himself, if anyones ever met him off the field, he's a fairly quiet guy, pretty humble about himself and always has time for fans. None of this cocky arrogance that fans like to make up about him.

When Sam first started playing first grade, while Noble was still at Wigan, he would routinely kick out in the tackle, and kick high too. I remember watching one televised game (not against us) when Ganson told him off about it (love him or hate him, Ganson is our most astute ref and he got the measure of Sam early on). Many players kick out in the tackle but Sam did it routinely at that time. He doesn't do it as recklessly as he first did it but it earned him a reputation early on. His arm trapping was another, which most refs fell for but do so no longer, and going in with the knees on the tackle is another. The trouble is that because of that early reputation anything he now does simply adds fuel to the fire.


Yes. He would be a better player if he stopped concerning himself with doing that, not least because he is so obvious. Making the rules work for you by being creative is a far better way of playing the game and he would get respect for that. As it is he has opted to play a dirtier game, if you like, than a cleverer one. But maybe Sam doesn't actually have any rugby guile?