....Jesus wept....You really need it explaining???

Quote: TF and the wire ""after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions" Why didn't our Prem win at Elland Rd in the late 80s count then?'" Because that year the champions were decided using the league table. The top 8 played off for a seperate trophy called the Premiership. That ran from 1975 to 1997. The Championship Playoffs ran from 1907 to 1974. SL Playoffs started in 1998. RL started in 1895. So I make that 113 Championships in all, with 32 decided using the league table and 81 using playoffs and final. So playoffs and a final is a very traditional method in RL. Quite a bit of history at: www.rugbyleagueproject.org/

Quote: TF and the wire ""after winning the Championship Final that followed a playoff system, which has been the most common method of finding the champions" Why didn't our Prem win at Elland Rd in the late 80s count then?'" Because that year the champions were decided using the league table. The top 8 played off for a seperate trophy called the Premiership. That ran from 1975 to 1997. The Championship Playoffs ran from 1907 to 1974. SL Playoffs started in 1998. RL started in 1895. So I make that 113 Championships in all, with 32 decided using the league table and 81 using playoffs and final. So playoffs and a final is a very traditional method in RL. Quite a bit of history at: www.rugbyleagueproject.org/

So basically in the past we have won the title necessary to be called champions but in the wrong years.

Oh and Dita's slot meter......do one will ya

Although there has been some differences over the 117 year history of rugby league about how the champions are decided, the one consistency has been the fact that at the start of every single season every club in the game has known what they will need to do to win the championship that season.

Warrington RLFC last succeeded in doing this in 1955.

Simple as that really innit?

I'm sure if we fail to do it again next season at least ten more threads like this will crop up once our season is over mind. If we win the LLS another ten will be posted before the play offs even start by people wanting us to be crowned immediately rather than risk losing out again which will of course be Sky's fault.

No, basically we haven't been champions since 1955.....We've won play off competitons when they were a Cup comp, and topped tables when it meant zilch.

.... though of course when we won the 86 premiership we did beat (let the record show that we stuffed em m'lud) the champions (and table toppers) Halifax in the final.

So on that basis we were like Leeds.

Does it still not count?

You can claim the 1986 one to Aussies because if you tell them we "won a Premiership" in 1986 they will think that means the Grand Final, so our barren streak is only as long as Parramatta's.

You're so obviously correct that I can't wonder if the original poster is some sort of imposter created solely with the purpose of making us all look stupid and bitter [insert joke here].

I reckon it's Casual Des the Stupid Postman or whatever.

Ok I will desist from mentioning it again ,if someone will explain one simple fact to me.

The Premiership was a knock out competion at the end of the season played between teams in the upper part of the final league table.

The Championship is a knock out competion at the end of the season played between teams in the upper part of the final league table.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE (baring a subtle change in name) ??????

in 1986 Halifax were crowned Champions and won 19 games over the League season.
Warrington won 20 games and finished in fourth...

how can that be fair that the Champions can actually win less games than the teams in second,third and fourth positions? If only we had a play off system back then to sort out the champions from the chancers..........


whats this thread about again.........

I agree that it is a pretty good sporting event and thereby I have a problem with it, (sorry for being "tedious" and "short sighted"icon_wink.gif. The GF is a one off, a cup competition IMO and for those 'historians' that claim for a majority of years that's how RL has crowned its Champions and therefore its sacricsanct I will offer a different view and point out that for many years the play offs were taken from a large league format where teams were part time and due to travel and costs not everyone played everyone else in an equal home/away format. your fixtures were organised along county divisions and the play offs therefore regularised the seasons' campaign.

Now in SL we have 14 teams and all working from a similar cost base, income and restraint and apart from Magic Weekend, (another farce), we play all the other teams twice thanks to the M62 and the invention and availabilty of a team sharrah. I just don't understand the lack of appeal in a first past the post system when the set up is clearly designed to equalise a professional competition.

Not a problem with we all knew the rules argument, a sincere well done to Leeds they were the best team on the day