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Quote: morrisseyisawire "Team that finishes top, straight into GF

Winners of 2nd v 5th play winners of 3rd v 4th to go into GF

That way finishing top means something, and gives you a proper reward, Sky get 4 hopefully DECENT games and you have four teams with a fairly equal chance of reaching the final as opposed to now where we know anyone below 5th has knack-all chance.'"



and you've got a team that doesn't play for 2/3 weeks going into a GF cold.

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "and you've got a team that doesn't play for 2/3 weeks going into a GF cold.'"


... can't have it all ends up. We didn't exactly look sparkling in last years play-offs having finished top did we? For all our squad rotation this year we're still carrying players less than 100% and patched up going into the most important game of the season. Bet TS would have killed for two weeks off to regroup and get troops fit.

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nah, last thing you want to be sat around not playing, its been shown in the past when 1/2 had weeks off, they then struggled, you dont want a week off before a big game, you need something to harden you.

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With a 10 team league i suppose you could make it work but only just.
27 games
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9 neutral to help grow the game, we could have 9 magic weekends across the country?

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



I can't see clubs agreeing to drop from 13 homes games to 9 per season, plus if every third week fans have to travel to Cardiff, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Leicester, etc it wouldn't take long for the novelty to wear off and those crowds plummet.

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That's were the marketing bods (new decent ones on a better salary) try to get locals in to the games.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "With a 10 team league i suppose you could make it work but only just.
27 games
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9 neutral to help grow the game, we could have 9 magic weekends across the country?'"

The NRL is unbalanced. 24 rounds between 16 teams.

How about 13 home and away games each with one neutral (magic). The extra fixtures, play each team once. Magic weekend to have 1v2, 3v4, etc from previous season. Location for the rest of the extra fixtures are decided by a random draw before the fixtures are announced, each team has 4 extra home and away games.

Teams may end up with more easier games at home, but that's the luck of the draw. League positions mean nothing anyway in the grand scheme of things when it comes to a playoff system that decides the title.

Old top 5 playoff system.


As Tony has said before, you can have as many rounds as you want, we make them up anyway (aka magic weekend).

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Quote: Fantastic Mr Catpiss "nah, last thing you want to be sat around not playing, its been shown in the past when 1/2 had weeks off, they then struggled, you dont want a week off before a big game, you need something to harden you.'"


Although I agree, the introduction of "battle" before "harden" might have helped? OOOERR Missus

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Quote: Alfie Langer No2 "The NRL is unbalanced. 24 rounds between 16 teams.

How about 13 home and away games each with one neutral (magic). The extra fixtures, play each team once. Magic weekend to have 1v2, 3v4, etc from previous season. Location for the rest of the extra fixtures are decided by a random draw before the fixtures are announced, each team has 4 extra home and away games.

Teams may end up with more easier games at home, but that's the luck of the draw. League positions mean nothing anyway in the grand scheme of things when it comes to a playoff system that decides the title.

Sorry Alfie this just makes the whole thing worse Champions being decided by flip of a coin. We should stop making things up as we go along and get some real value in the weekly rounds IMO

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Quote: Uncle Rico "Although I agree, the introduction of "battle" before "harden" might have helped? OOOERR Missus'"



I happen to get quite excited by the play offs, QUITE excited.

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Quote: Uncle Rico "snip'"

To be fair I was only trying to make Yed's idea a little more realistic as 9 neutral games would hit teams too much in the pocket.

Something has to be done. IMO it's reducing the teams. How the league format would change would take a fair bit of thinking though. I know others want 2 divisions of 10. Some just want P&R back.

Back on topic, the playoffs should not be rewarding mediocrity. Anyone who loses more than they win should not be competing for the title. This isn't a dig at Wakey in anyway, they knew the rules, played by them and earned their spot.

I would say top 6 based on a 14 team league. Problem is, probably only teams in 1-8 only have a realistic chance of making the playoffs with a 1/3 of the season to go leaving the other 6 with nothing to play for. Maybe 2-3 of these still trying to avoid the wooden spoon but 3 teams season would be over by round 18 unless a miracle occurs. And no, I don't want P&R back to keep the games alive in the basement battles.

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Quote: Alfie Langer No2 "To be fair I was only trying to make Yed's idea a little more realistic as 9 neutral games would hit teams too much in the pocket.

No worries Alfie I agree with your sentiments. there is enough 'hoo ha' from certain quarters because we now have an extra game against Widnes never mind if we drew the bottom four out of the hat and went on to win it? the conspiracy theorists would have a field day.

Maybe Thelonius had a point about a split league of 12 half way through.

All I know is the inclusivity of a top 8 demeans the league and doesnt work for me.

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[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j] "Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]:



It'd never happen, but I do think the 12 team, split after 22 rounds, league would work very well, especially for Sky. Not only do they get the huge last 10 rounds (imagine a mini league of Wire, Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Catalan and Hull with 3 televised games every weekend for example), but they also get the battle to get into the top six which would start around round 18 or so.

Admittedly, after 22 rounds the bottom six would have little to play for, but that's not really that much different to how things are anyway. Perhaps something could be introduced as an incentive for the bottom six whether it be prize money or even first pick of any OOC players at the end of the season.

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Quote: Thelonius "It might be accepted in many of those foreign places, but the concept of deciding champions by a playoff system simply doesn't sit comfortabley with the majority of british sports fans.'"


True that. I'm sure we've all had the same "Surely the champions are the team that finishes top of the league? How can it be someone else?" conversations countless times down the years.

That's probably one reason why they don't generate interest from more casual sports fans, because most simply don't like the concept, then when they hear the complexities of how the fixtures are worked out it just sounds over complicated and daft.

I think the play offs need to stay, but I would favour a system where every game is a knock out with no second chances, which would in turn also guarantee no repeat fixtures.

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Quote: Dropkick Murphy "True that. I'm sure we've all had the same "Surely the champions are the team that finishes top of the league? How can it be someone else?" conversations countless times down the years.

That's probably one reason why they don't generate interest from more casual sports fans, because most simply don't like the concept, then when they hear the complexities of how the fixtures are worked out it just sounds over complicated and daft.

I think the play offs need to stay, but I would favour a system where every game is a knock out with no second chances, which would in turn also guarantee no repeat fixtures.'"


Exactly. You explain the fact that we don't plat first past the post and then have to try to explain and/or justify why a team that loses in the first round can still win the final. (and why we have two sets of semi finals as I had to explain last week)

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