I think Wigan are playing a better brand of Rugby this year. As effective as they had been the last couple of years they were very boring to watch.

His interviews are painful. All this crap about working them hard in training is so 1980s. That said, Maguire gave the impression that he had a particularly virile dose of IBS when he was interviewed and he was a superb coach, clearly.

Wigan have been playing exciting rugby but with little composure. It cost us the game against yourselfs and the Widnes game.

I worry that we play with that lack of composure because Wane is so intense and passionate about the club. It's certainly not a case of the players not playing for him rather on occasion overplaying for him and losing focus.

We've looked like a group of excitable schoolboys at points this year but I'm confident we'll learn.

Maguire was a hard task master and so was Daniel Anderson at Saints and those guys put superbly well prepared teams on the park. However I think there is an issue about a coach being too highly strung. I think we had that problem with Paul Cullen. Cullen was great when we were in a good spell, his drive and charisma helped tide us forward, but when we hit a rocky patch Cullen became very tetchy and defensive and it seemed to make the whole club nervous from players to non playing staff to supporters, and we got stuck in ruts. With Tony Smith we can have a bad game and we seem to deal with things more calmly. I think this could be the issue Wigan have got with Wane. It's tempting fate to write Wigan off as they are a quality team but I have a sense that Wigan won't win any trophies this year with Wane at the helm, and they will replace him with an established coach as soon as they can.

Just wanted to revisit this thread after todays game. I thought Wane's excitable granddad routine was a bit cringeworthy at times, between his fist-pumping, going in a huff over a rightly disallowed try and bemoaning Josh Charnley missing a meaningless conversion he is well on the way to being crowned the Sam Allardyce of RL.

The sooner he starts acting less like a fan and more like a coach the less embarrassing it will be for everyone.

Terrible isn't it, having a British coach with a bit of personality.

I think what we need is an Aussie who relentlessly moans to the media every week and speaks only cliches, the passion Wane shows is holding our team back.

Unfortunately lizardface Maguire has already ed off home.

Acceptance is the first step to overcoming your butthurt. Well done. Now you must recognize that a higher power can give strength. Accept Tony Smith can give you strength, just like every other fans in Super league!

It must be bad having a socially retarded Gorilla as your coach. I hope he is cheap, that's all I can say!

I might have been a bit harsh with my comment as I actually don't mind Wane, he's got Wigan playing more attractive stuff than Maguire did. Personally though I think dignity in a coach is a more important trait than personality.

It's interesting, the comparison between Cullen and Wane.
Both local, passionate lads (did you see his potty mouth expletives when the so called penalty try was not awarded), have been given a job that's a "bit above their station" .

Wigan were excellent today. Fair play to them. I just get the feeling they'll come up short, like they did Sept last year. They had no oxygen left in their tank.


Last year, we had the bad luck of our key players all deciding to play their worst game of the season on the same day. That was our fall down. Mr Smith, Bobby Fulton, Wayne Bennett et al, will all have suffered the same fate, bad fortune, on the big day. It happens. I get the feeling, come the end of the year, Mr Wane's enthusiasm wont be enough.

And yet you have absolutely nothing to base this on apart from wishful thinking. Do you reckon this says more about you or Wane and Wigan?

Obviously, I've nothing to base this on, as Wane has only been coaching since Fadge went back to Oz, so it's just my opinion. I just get the feeling that Wane (like Cullen) is an enthusiasm coach, not a thinker, like Smith.

As I said, we were undone by bad performances, by key players on one night. POO HAPPENS. Hopefully we'll learn by it.

Wane, (to me) seems a little "underdone" (as did Cullen, when he came to us) as a coach. Maybe, Wigan should have gone for a big name. It's not as if they haven't in the past.

fair play to him.... he is trying to get wigan play proper rugby again.

I've been impressed with him, great to see a bit of emotion. I know he doesn't come across as the most educated guy in the world but he has a wealth of rugby league knowledge and that is what matters.