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Quote: Fletcher-end-red "If Halifax can compete at the top of league 1 or whatever it is now called for the next 2+1/2 years and complete the Shay then they should have a good chance of coming up. Add Widnes, Leigh and maybe 1 or 2 others and the next round of licence applications and there maybe a couple of current super league clubs feeling a little upset.

Mps shouldn't be Getting involved in this, or any sport it all ways leads to problems.'"






Agreed, but "Rattling the RLFC`s cage" in this manner, could end up coming back and biting them in the ar$e, when licence applications are up for grabs in the future!!!

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Celtic and Salford were both top of NL1 last year though

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They might as well scream and scream and scream until their sick, it'll have the same effect. Just politicians starting their elelction campaigns early.

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add halifax and widnes (widnes because i want our derby bk icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif ) and have 16 tems

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Quote: foleywire "put them in and kick celtic out they are a disgrace and should never of made superleague how does a team losing all 27 games(which they will do) boost the game???'"


And....breath.

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Quote: foleywire "put them in and kick celtic out they are a disgrace and should never of made superleague how does a team losing all 27 games(which they will do) boost the game???'"

I know what you mean but didn't Celtic and Salford finish in the top 2 last year. So if you were going to promote 2 teams then surely they would merit promotion

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Spoke to my missus about this (she is a corporate lawyer) and she believes they may have an opportunity to challenge the franchise system under Articles 81/85 of the European Convention as they could potentially argue the franchise system operates contrary to competition law. Key to the argument would be classifying Halifax RLFC as a business rather than simply a rugby club. Whether they have the will (and pocket depth) to do it is another thing.

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Quote: Wires71 "Spoke to my missus about this (she is a corporate lawyer) and she believes they may have an opportunity to challenge the franchise system under Articles 81/85 of the European Convention as they could potentially argue the franchise system operates contrary to competition law. Key to the argument would be classifying Halifax RLFC as a business rather than simply a rugby club. Whether they have the will (and pocket depth) to do it is another thing.'"


If the RFL have writtien the franchise criteria into their bye laws, then they could be on a sticky wicket. I'm pretty sure one of the bye laws is: challenge them; face expulsion.

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bye laws should read operational rules.

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Any legal challenge, whether backed by MPs or otherwise, would be utterly pointless and doomed to failure. Pathetic attempt at points scoring by the MPs in question.

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Quote: Ian [77] ""Any legal challenge, whether backed by MPs or otherwise, would be utterly pointless and doomed to failure. Pathetic attempt at points scoring by the MPs in question.'"


Apparently on the grapevine of lawyers and counsel that have been party to this now, through the missus, it's created quite a stimulating legal/intellectual debate and by no means black and white. Having said that they are only legal bods specialising in EU corporate law.

Bosman anyone?

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Quote: Wires71 "Apparently on the grapevine of lawyers and counsel that have been party to this now, through the missus, it's created quite a stimulating legal/intellectual debate and by no means black and white. Having said that they are only legal bods specialising in EU corporate law.

Bosman anyone?'"


I don't see how it restricts competition - the only difference between the old system and the new one is the frequency of promotion and the terms on which promotion is granted. I'd be astounded if anyone thought that the prospects of success were that good that it was worth a challenge, to the EU or otherwise. In any event, as you rightly point out, it would cost a fortune - in the unlikely event that anyone did think it was worth a punt the cost would be prohibitive.

Licence system is here to stay, in one form or another, whether people like it or not.

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They'd just look silly to be honest. Those are the rules and everyone must comply. They didn't tick enough boxes to be accepted in Super League, they know what boxes need to be ticked and they are probably going about rectifying it over the course of the next three years.

What shouldn't be overlooked, IMO, is where were these MPs when Halifax were staring into the Abyss of relegation from NL1, the stadium didn't look like being completed and they faced financial ruin?

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Quote: Ian [77] ""I don't see how it restricts competition - the only difference between the old system and the new one is the frequency of promotion and the terms on which promotion is granted. I'd be astounded if anyone thought that the prospects of success were that good that it was worth a challenge, to the EU or otherwise. In any event, as you rightly point out, it would cost a fortune - in the unlikely event that anyone did think it was worth a punt the cost would be prohibitive.

Licence system is here to stay, in one form or another, whether people like it or not.'"


The issue is that vertical competition would be restricted in that the businesses incorporating those clubs in the lower leagues are restrained from competing with those businesses in the upper league for a specific period of time where that restriction is set by the RFL and not market forces. Therefore the market is distorted on the basis of competition being restricted. This only applies if it can be argued the clubs are businesses and not purely sporting organisations.

Its a long shot and probably not worth it.

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Quote: Wires71 "The issue is that vertical competition would be restricted in that the businesses incorporating those clubs in the lower leagues are restrained from competing with those businesses in the upper league for a specific period of time where that restriction is set by the RFL and not market forces. Therefore the market is distorted on the basis of competition being restricted. This only applies if it can be argued the clubs are businesses and not purely sporting organisations.

Its a long shot and probably not worth it.'"


Surely the ability to be competitive would form part of the criteria, as subjective an a review it could be.

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Quote: Wires71 "The issue is that vertical competition would be restricted in that the businesses incorporating those clubs in the lower leagues are restrained from competing with those businesses in the upper league for a specific period of time where that restriction is set by the RFL and not market forces. Therefore the market is distorted on the basis of competition being restricted. This only applies if it can be argued the clubs are businesses and not purely sporting organisations.

Its a long shot and probably not worth it.'"


Long shot being the operative phrase - every promotion and relegation systems imposes criteria, they're just less distinct and open than the RFLs. For example, there are ground criteria for promotion to the FA Premier League. I don't think the specific period of time point makes any great difference - you're still saying Club A you can come in potentially, Club B, you can't because your ground isn't up to scratch, in the Premier League, all seater with specific facilities. The same as franchising.

=A few RL clubs fired off a few speculative letters to the RFL about the salary cap. I suspect they came to the same conclusion - arguable on paper, little or no chance in reality. Interesting stuff though.

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