I know you've had nothing to shout about of late bar one miraculous season but is that a serious post....?

Kevin penny was in the dream team scoring a try a game burning players off for fun and despite having been playing the game for about two years...!

it was this rise added to the fact Wire fans had started to sing "there's only one Kevin Penny" that when he made a high profile knock on (i'll leave you to see whose ball it was in the first place his or Matt kings) it gave rise to the saints fans chanting the same thing.....you know in a similar way we sing its always our year....when its clearly not....

he scored tries Ade Gardner couldnt..... he even made Jonathan davies Say "Jesus" live on BBC when he goosed Gardner Gidley and Wellens to score in the corner...(ok Wellens so what).. the Great Ray French among others compared him to Martin Offiah......... you don't get that type of comparison every week.

again like I said at the time no one ever sang a mocking, there's only one Richie Barnett when he made an error because we all knew he was genuinely rubbish and we'd likely join in.

its the deluded nonsense that makes me despair... you think Kevin Penny single handedly cost us trophies

Without Kevin Penny this season we dont win away at Catalan a week after a wembley loss (which he wasnt in the squad for) .... which was a huge step to finishing top of the league, where we then go to old trafford and lose like we have been doing a number of times without Kevin Penny making these trophy losing cock ups thank you very much.....

and yes we'd sing there is only one Mark Percival if he finished top of the try scoring charts made the dream team scored wonder tries against us regularly, scored screamers against every one in the league and was billed "the next Mal Meninga" otherwise we'll say "mark who, which ones that?"

as you can see Im in the Kevin Penny camp, i spend my money and I want something no one else gives us... there's a ton of Mark Percivals up and down the leagues......

TFB I wouldn't waste your time. There are clearly 2 camps, those who want to be entertained when they watch rugby and those that want "safety". Saddened, of course, is a Saints fan. You know, Saints the self styled "entertainers". Their team however wouldn't know entertaining rugby if it hit them in the face.
It is strange how people have a selective memory, they forget Matt King being ragged around in his first season, he was forgiven all manner of mistakes as an Aussie international, so when he left KP high and dry they blamed the rookie.
I maintain with the right mentoring he would have been a consistent performer at the highest level.

"Awful player"? When did Saints last have a winger that could score the sort of tries that KP was scoring at the time?

Mal Meninga. The best damn winger I ever saw.

We had Brimah Kebbie at one stage. He could run very fast if he finally managed to catch the ball. Darren Albert was probably faster and a whole lot better than Penny. Still no one has answered what Saints fans did that was a disgrace?

Spend a Penny in those Knowsley Road toilets!!!

Nope totally Agree .

The point i was trying to make at the time was if Kev had kept to his wing the gap would had been between the centre and the second row , although he would have also been critisized for leaving his centre out to dry .

A no win situation , as you say Matty Russell suffers the same outcome.

So when did Brimah make the Dream Team?
To answer your second point the hounding of KP at Knowsley Road went beyond anything I had previously experienced. This was a player who was new to the game, who was a breath of fresh air and could have developed very quickly. Obviously you don't agree, but the you are a Saints fan, so you wouldn't.
I'm not trying to convince you, I'm giving my opinion, if you don't like it ignore it.

Blaming Saints fans is a little laughable... a great player will be a great player whether they get some boos or not. There are lots of quick players who are capable of scoring good tries, doing it consistently season after season is the hard part.

Penny had good pace and agility, outside of that he wasn't much of a rugby player which explains his career, not some opposition fans chanting his name.

I still maintain that with Kevin Penny's speed, knowledge of the game, positioning on the wing and his defence, the best position for him is on the wing ....... with a flag in his hand.

I dont think they did anything personally it was all fair game. ...they did it because he was high profile..... I bet they dont sing songs about Lewis Tierney. ...

But Penny's still here and Chris Riley. . Rhys Williams etc aren't

Whatever happens to Penny he's played longer than many halfwits expected. He has shown tremendous character to come back from playing at Widnes and Swinton and come back a better player. He has come back from being dropped this season for no obvious reason and missing a wembley final , and shown great professionalism when brought back for Catalan away and showing what we had been missing and then to be dropped for the following games including the grand final. ..

He's a local lad. ....I'm sorry but I've never had some kind of envy towards him because of that and wanted him to fail like some of the bizarre folk that used to post on here. .....

If you had bothered to read the topic you will have seen that I posited that as 1 of a number of factors, I can't be bothered repeating them, people see what they want to see.

Nice to see that a thread hasn't gone off topic for once

Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?

Quote: Paul2812 "Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?'" 18th man saying we pretty much have: the18thman.com/2016/10/24/fifita ... -round-up/ And apparently Gidders and Sims both just followed him on Twitter.

Quote: Paul2812 "Agreed. So have we signed this guy yet ?'" 18th man saying we pretty much have: the18thman.com/2016/10/24/fifita ... -round-up/ And apparently Gidders and Sims both just followed him on Twitter.