Bloody hell.

How can Wire fans bang on to Saints fans about trophies??? They blow you lot clean out the water when it comes to silverware.

And for the record I support neither club.

It's not where you've been. It's where you're at.

So do Swinton pal but it depends on how much of a nob you want to be regarding banging on about trophies won ages ago.

You can bet your life if we win nothing this year but happen to mention our three challenge cups, League leaders romp, and two grand finals in the last few years people will tell us to stop living in the past.

Anyway to all our friends from St Helens welcome back to the Wire forum you've been missed.

To be fair, you won as much as we did last season. Is there an actual cut off for discounting trophies as being 'in the past' or just when it's convenient to you?

Everyone saying Waterhouse got through a lot of work, yes he did, but it lacked quality. He dropped off a lot of tackles, including the first of the game. Him and Asotasi were lazy for tries 2 and 3. He needs to pick his game up.

I'm just saying that if you try to take the out of someone for not winning something, when you've nor won anything yourself for a few years, it makes you sound a bit stupid. Especially when the other team have won four trophies in that time.

So what you Wire fans are saying is only trophies won after 2009 actually count??

What a strange lot you really are.

OK then 2008

What are you going on about? It doesn't matter how far back in time you go. We've won more trophies than Saints in the last few years but are getting stick off them for failure. They're thick as, that lot.

Wire and saints, both new stadiums. Our trophy room is full of bling, theirs is full of cobwebs.

Nice to see there isn't any knee jerk reactions after one game, as for trophies, Saints are trophy less since not having KC, long and scully in their team. Still far more successful and bigger than us. I'd put us in a Man City type category and Saints in a Liverpool type.

I'm a HKR fan and I rate us as just as big as a club as you.

And we've been champions a lot more recently than Wire.

Bit rude, I've been alive in the time saints won the league... Not so much for Liverpool

Why would we want to compare our game and our teams with football?