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I think marketing is the key to our shortcomings Rico & probably eliminating the meaningless scrums from probably 70 minutes of action. I know they take 12 players out of the game for a few minutes but they are a visual & uncontested anti climax to what could be 80 minutes of end to end struggle.
As for international Union my mind harks back to that 15 (?) minute scrum of a couple of years ago & how the game tends to be more of a showpiece of the referees pedantic authority than a spectacle for the onlooker.

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Quote: silver2 "Union internationals appear to be that type of event that people flock to irrespective of the product. A bit like the boat race, Henley regata, Wimbledon or a royal wedding. Also, when you do have a large crowd even a mediocre event can feel exciting. So rather than RU being a better international sport than RL I would put it down more to the lemming instincts of the middle upper classes.'"

You're speaking my language, silver2
However the "great and good" at Twickers has done it (to get people who have no interest in sport, to sit and watch their "product"icon_wink.gif, we should bottle it and keep it.

When I was still living at home with my parents in the 80s/90s, my dad would watch the rah-rah, and the crowd would be full of the Barbour jacket brigade. Blokes in their advancing years, and not a woman in sight.
Fast forward 20-30 years, and when sports news desks come on, the crowds are now made up of a lot younger age-group, and a lot of them women. Add to this,,
MILLIONS watching on TV. How have they done this? Simple. They've really SOLD their product. They've got into the minds of TV executives that the 6 Nation's REALLY matters.
Decades ago. It was just played on a Saturday afternoon. One game live, and 20odd mins highlights of the other game (depending where you were). Now, it takes over weekends, including prime time Saturday night slots. The RFU has got their marketeers out, and pushed it as "must see TV", just like the USA TV companies market their 8 week dramas as "events". If you're not watching, you're "missing out" because everyone else is tuned in.
People ARE lemmings. They do stuff because everyone else is doing it. They don't want to be seen as "not following the crowd".
In the days when I'd listen to that Gobdaw Chris Evans, he'd be on about 6Nation's games, for days on end, regardless of their quality. We need the RFL to get out there, and spread the word PROPERLY, 52 weeks of the year. Not just CC and GF weeks.

As I've said before. You play an average member of the public a previously unheard Ed Shearon record, but don't tell them it's him, they'll probably give you an honest opinion of it's "quality", Tell another load of people that it is Shearon, and the %age of people who say they like it, will be higher. I guarantee it. People like to "fit in", it's human nature (apart from cynical so'n'sos like myself).

Huge %ages of this country are gullible. They'll believe owt they're told.

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The 20something union world cup has been announced its to be held in France.

Pound to a pinch of piddle they rock up with a sellout game in Perpignan, in the union stadium just down the road from Catalans home ground.

They won't miss a trick. ....

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Quote: the flying biscuit "Good piece in the Guardian.
it seems anything the BBC can Snub, the Australians can do it better.....

Christ the Game needs someone to take it by the scruff of the neck like a Barry Hearns...??

rlhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/nov/13/rugby-league-world-cup-has-been-snubbed-in-nrl-obsessed-australiarl'"


I’m wondering if the reason why League is struggling in England is very much to do with the attitude of the Australians to internationals. Cricket has the Ashes, Union has the Six Nations, Tennis has Wimbledon - where is League’s red-blooded focal point that sustains the domestic game? Yes we have the RLWC every four years but the impression I get is that it is just viewed as a contractual obligation by Australia. I’m not sure anything other than regular GB v Australia series can help League grow, and until Australia get interested in international fixtures we will lack the chance to really have a showpiece on the calendar to appeal to the casual sports fan and grow the game again

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The timing of the RL world cup is not optimal as far as international sports go. Currently competing with

Ashes
Rugby Union Internationals
F1 Season Finale
2 England Internationals against Germany and Brazil.
Home nations football world cup qualifiers.

We don't make it easy to get press coverage.

Also my bugbear in the Rugby League tab on www.bbc.co.uk/sports disappears if you are not on an IP address in the North of England. We are buried on the 'All Sports' section along with darts, disability sports and gaelic games.
The timing of the RL world cup is not optimal as far as international sports go. Currently competing with

Ashes
Rugby Union Internationals
F1 Season Finale
2 England Internationals against Germany and Brazil.
Home nations football world cup qualifiers.

We don't make it easy to get press coverage.

Also my bugbear in the Rugby League tab on www.bbc.co.uk/sports disappears if you are not on an IP address in the North of England. We are buried on the 'All Sports' section along with darts, disability sports and gaelic games.


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Didn't Roger Draper decamp to the RFL with the brief to raise the profile & marketing strategies of RL ? You would expect him to have some excellent media contacts following his time at the LTA unless he has been black balled by the establishment for coming up north.

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[b:3w2ur1db]Superleague Titles[/b:3w2ur1db] Warrington Wolfs - 0 Wakefield Trinity - 0 Leigh Centurions - 0 [quote="Budgiezilla":3w2ur1db]Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.[/quote:3w2ur1db]:



Quote: Builth Wells Wire "Rugby Union, If you must talk about it, do it here. PART III


Why are you quoting me and not person who started the thread?????

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Quote: Lebron James "Why are you quoting me and not person who started the thread?????

Regards

King James'"


Because due to the fact no one likes you, he's trying to politely shepherd you away from our board? I'm only guessing at this mind...

I'm not sure what it is makes you more irritating than other fans who use our board but you definitely are. maybe its the way you end every single post with "Regards, King James" just waiting for people to call you out on it so you know you've achieved your goal of winding someone up then act innocent as if you don't know what you're doing to fuel your strange need for a sense of Blasé fulfilment.

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "

Huge %ages of this country are gullible. They'll believe owt they're told.'"


especially when its the 'establishment' telling them...broad sheet newspapers, mainstream broadcasters, royal family...all occupied by Union playing, old school tie brigade....

RL's only hope is Australia....and the strength of the sport there....where the 'establishment' has been kicked out....which is what we should have done as a nation years ago IMO.

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Quote: moving on... "Anyone who can suggest that there is no such thing as an active anti RL agenda from the RFU is, quite simply, an idiot who has no idea how the upper middle class go about their business. Wouldn't trust any of them. The type of people who'd rather watch you drown than part with a single penny. The same people who cover up sex scandals and paedophile rings within the establishment.'"



Correct Sir. I would add more but i would get in bother. Hoping they get a good kicking off the Aussies this week.

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Quote: lefty goldblatt "Just watched the 08

Don't think any of the broadcasters do really. I remember a time when on Challenge Cup final day there was a huge 2 to 3 hour build up, all the pre-match entertainment etc was broadcast and it was really all designed to climax the suspense up to kick off and it worked. People like Courtney Lawes being in advertisements for Maximuscle, Chris Robshaw doing Lucozade, Johnny Wilkinson with Gillette and even Jack Whitehall in an advert just to basically promote Rugby Union with Robinson, Dallaglio and Martin Johnson et al doesn't help. They get way too much exposure. I am afraid the broadcasters now have all colluded with each other to push womens football as much as they possibly can to get some interest. The problem is that it's an absolute garbage spectacle and it won't make a difference. Last year they were pushing like mad on a friday for the top of the table clash in the Womens Premier League and how much was riding on it etc. The game in question finished 10-2. How the hell can you push something so ridiculous.

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[b:3w2ur1db]Superleague Titles[/b:3w2ur1db] Warrington Wolfs - 0 Wakefield Trinity - 0 Leigh Centurions - 0 [quote="Budgiezilla":3w2ur1db]Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.[/quote:3w2ur1db]:



Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Correct Sir. I would add more but i would get in bother. Hoping they get a good kicking off the Aussies this week.'"


No chance. The england rugby union team is the pinnacle of sports in this country. At a sell out twickenham, they will see off the aussies easily. Jones is even leaving the beast, Itoje on the bench, such is the embarassment of riches he has at his disposal

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "I am afraid the broadcasters now have all colluded with each other to push womens football as much as they possibly can to get some interest. The problem is that it's an absolute garbage spectacle and it won't make a difference. Last year they were pushing like mad on a friday for the top of the table clash in the Womens Premier League and how much was riding on it etc. The game in question finished 10-2. How the hell can you push something so ridiculous.'"


10-2 isn’t a normal score in either the Women’s Premier League or the Women’s Super League which is what I presume you mean. All sports have occasional freak scores. Even the super duper Premier League.

It’s not garbage either. It’s garbage if you expect to watch the game and it to be the same as a men’s game, but then why would it be?

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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "10-2 isn’t a normal score in either the Women’s Premier League or the Women’s Super League which is what I presume you mean. All sports have occasional freak scores. Even the super duper Premier League.

It’s not garbage either. It’s garbage if you expect to watch the game and it to be the same as a men’s game, but then why would it be?'"


Yes it is. Women's football is garbage. Men's football is garbage. all football is garbage. It never used to be. but it is now. It used to be intense and end to end with hard tackles. Now there's a penalty every time someone is touched and the players milk it.

Hang on... Sounds a lot like Rugby league these days when you type it out.

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