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| Still, nice to dismantle the reputation of another ex-player and continue the theme of "He wasn't really that good was he?" that started before Briers tears were dry on his GF shirt.
I well remember standing on the fletcher end during Phil Blake's first stint (22 tries in 19 games), watching in astonishment as Blake took the ball chipped the defence, regathered, sidestepped the FB, lost a boot and outpaced the cover to score for what was a fairly regulation try for him. As the wires faithful went crazy, some guy next to me harrumphed and said "all he can do is score tries, can't tackle to save his life."
Beginning to think said person is alive and well on this forum.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Still, nice to dismantle the reputation of another ex-player and continue the theme of "He wasn't really that good was he?" that started before Briers tears were dry on his GF shirt.
I well remember standing on the fletcher end during Phil Blake's first stint (22 tries in 19 games), watching in astonishment as Blake took the ball chipped the defence, regathered, sidestepped the FB, lost a boot and outpaced the cover to score for what was a fairly regulation try for him. As the wires faithful went crazy, some guy next to me harrumphed and said "all he can do is score tries, can't tackle to save his life."
Beginning to think said person is alive and well on this forum.'"
This. I'm willing to bet that there are a few people who've said exactly that on this thread, who until two months ago wouldn't have said a word against Brett Hodgson. As for comparing him with players from yesteryear, there isn't any point. Hodgson is (or was) a completely different type of player from all the others, so how can they be compared? For example, both he and Derek Whitehead were fine goal kickers and both won the Lance Todd Trophy, but how else can you compare them?
Hodgson was a fine signing (one that I disagreed with at the time, but I was wrong), and did well for us, but time was starting to catch up and he took one knock too many. Good luck to him for whatever he does in the future.
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| Quote: morrisseyisawire "Still, nice to dismantle the reputation of another ex-player and continue the theme of "He wasn't really that good was he?" that started before Briers tears were dry on his GF shirt.
I well remember standing on the fletcher end during Phil Blake's first stint (22 tries in 19 games), watching in astonishment as Blake took the ball chipped the defence, regathered, sidestepped the FB, lost a boot and outpaced the cover to score for what was a fairly regulation try for him. As the wires faithful went crazy, some guy next to me harrumphed and said "all he can do is score tries, can't tackle to save his life."
Beginning to think said person is alive and well on this forum.'"
I could write a book with some of the pearls of wisdom I have heard in the south stand this year!
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| Quote: PADDERS "Fullbacks as in playing the position not including kicking
in front of Hodgeson I would put in no order
Whitehead
Hesford
Johnson
Lyon
Ford
Davies
then Hodgeson who's defence was aweful imo'"
You missed out Gary Hulse. Didn't he play full back for a game or so. Surely he's ahead of Hodgson in your view.
Can you move onto props next please? Start with our worst ever - Morley and Carvell - and work up the list to the likes of Teitzel and Fogerty etc.
Go on, you know you want to!
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| Quote: Kevin Turvey "You missed out Gary Hulse. Didn't he play full back for a game or so. Surely he's ahead of Hodgson in your view.
Can you move onto props next please? Start with our worst ever - Morley and Carvell - and work up the list to the likes of Teitzel and Fogerty etc.
Go on, you know you want to!'"
No way. And not even a mention of Mathers or Reardon!
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| Quote: Kevin Turvey "You missed out Gary Hulse. Didn't he play full back for a game or so. Surely he's ahead of Hodgson in your view.
Can you move onto props next please? Start with our worst ever - Morley and Carvell - and work up the list to the likes of Teitzel and Fogerty etc.
Go on, you know you want to!'"
Don't start him off, it'll be centres next.
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| Quote: Teessidewire "Don't start him off, it'll be centres next.'"
That's his all time favourite subject. Don't think he needs any encouragement from me.....
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| Quote: Kevin Turvey "You missed out Gary Hulse. Didn't he play full back for a game or so. Surely he's ahead of Hodgson in your view.
Can you move onto props next please? Start with our worst ever - Morley and Carvell - and work up the list to the likes of Teitzel and Fogerty etc.
Go on, you know you want to!'"
I wasn't old enough to see some of those players on PADDERS list, but I assume from that you mean they were crap?
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "I wasn't old enough to see some of those players on PADDERS list, but I assume from that you mean they were crap?'"
No, I don't think you could possibly infer that from my post. Some of them were average to reasonably good players in their day like Ford and Lyon and others were good to fantastic like Whitehead, Johnson and Davies. The point was, Padders places them all above Hodgson which was a) completely wrong and b) comparing apples with pears. Hodgson is a different type of full back and the only one who could have played a simialr game was Davies.
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| Just can't let a discussion on best Wires full back go on without remembering the tactical genius of putting Lee Briers there !
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| Quote: Kevin Turvey "No, I don't think you could possibly infer that from my post. Some of them were average to reasonably good players in their day like Ford and Lyon and others were good to fantastic like Whitehead, Johnson and Davies. The point was, Padders places them all above Hodgson which was a) completely wrong and b) comparing apples with pears. Hodgson is a different type of full back and the only one who could have played a simialr game was Davies.'"
Well they are all fullbacks (apart from Davies didn't play there much for us) so its fair enough to compare them, he said Hodgson wasn't in the top six for him, people challenged him to say who was better and he named some names that were credible contenders, not like the Hulse, Teitzel or Fogerty analogies you made. For me Hodgson is the best I've seen but Padders is entitled to have his own controversial view without everyone making fun of him.
I started watching just after Johnson finished (he had just become coach) so the fullbacks (that played a decent number of games there, not occasionals like Hunte) of my Warrington supporting lifetime in order would be:
Hodgson
Harris
Grose
Lyon
Cardiss
Penny
Reardon
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "Well they are all fullbacks (apart from Davies didn't play there much for us) so its fair enough to compare them, he said Hodgson wasn't in the top six for him, people challenged him to say who was better and he named some names that were credible contenders, not like the Hulse, Teitzel or Fogerty analogies you made. For me Hodgson is the best I've seen but Padders is entitled to have his own controversial view without everyone making fun of him.
I started watching just after Johnson finished (he had just become coach) so the fullbacks (that played a decent number of games there, not occasionals like Hunte) of my Warrington supporting lifetime in order would be
A range of opinions is fine, but if a post is clearly ridiculous, people put themselves up there to be shot at, metaphorically on a message board like this. Saying they are all full backs is simplistic as it doesn't take into account how a role can change (sometimes significantly) over time. There is evidence of functional change, sometimes quite radical, in a number of playing positions from the 1970's to now.
In terms of your list I agree with the order for those players. It was a pity we got players like Readon and Cardiss at the point at which their best days were behind them. Both were excellent full backs in different ways at their peak.
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| There's no right answer in 'Who's the best player you've seen' questions.
My favourite Batman is Adam West. My lad goes mad at me. He nearly combusted when I told him Cesar Romero is my favourtite Joker.
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| Favourite and best you've seen are always objective if the players you compare are of similar talent.
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| Quote: Kevin Turvey "
In terms of your list I agree with the order for those players. It was a pity we got players like Readon and Cardiss at the point at which their best days were behind them. Both were excellent full backs in different ways at their peak.'"
Yes and we got them in their mid 20s too so should have had them in their prime. With Cardiss injury took its toll which was a shame because he was superb to watch at Halifax, great pace and agility.
Not sure what the situation was with Reardon but he had looked a terrific prospect during his brief loan spell at Salford in 2002, winning the Harry Sunderland medal in the 2003 Grand Final and then having a Ryan Hall-esque start to his international career in the Tri Nations 2004. I thought he was a superb signing for us when we signed him. But he was a shadow of his former self with us. In the latter years of Cullen's rein there were a few players in our squad that had taken a step down from top clubs and seemed to be treading water with us: he was one of them.
I just googled Stuart Reardon to see where he is playing now. Turns out he is a model and some of his pictures are a bit NSFW so be careful if you google image search him.
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