Riley is no way in the class of hall. He is not as good as cudjoe IMO and gardner though his form has been up and down in the last few seasons at times in his career at saints has been the stand out winger in our comp and a England shoe in, Riley has never been that. off the top of my head I think halley, lawerence, owen, briscoe(tom), fox, hodgson(Ginger)sharpe, Gibson, pelo are all wingers/utilities who are better than riley from other clubs other than Leeds, pies and saints who would get a game before him at your club and at Leeds, pies and saints.

I think there are a few stand out wingers in the league - Donald, Hicks, Richards, Roberts. Err, that's about it.

Then I'd say you have Hall, Gardner (at his best), Hodgson (at his best). Err, that's about it.

Then the next pack includes Riley.

I don't rate Gardner one bit.

Take Gidley out of his inside, he's cack.

So we agree. He is in the 3rd tier of SL wingers. I know he is not hugely evasive and prone to a few mistakes but he's not (lightening) fast either. Warrington could improve in this position in my view.

Who exactly has wrote you off??????

I think you will find you were the bookies favourites to win both of those games

I think hall, lee smith, tom briscoe, fox are as good as hicks if not a bit better, but hicks is quality no doubt. Richards is solid and effective a real good pro. donald is as good as anything in the comp! if you said this time last year Roberts was one of the best wingers in the comp you would have got laughed off the forum. Roberts is a different player now, in the 10+ good games he's had for Wigan he's been outstanding. Let's see him do it over a number of years.

Not for me. Hicks best finisher if not best winger in comp.

this slagging off of riley is laughable..he may not be the best winger in super league but he`s up at the top end of the try scoring charts so he`s doing something right..

The guy is 21 and is one of the top try scorers FFS.

And we wonder why we are slagged off by opposing fans.

I doubt it both teams were playing alot better then us at the time not to mention ahead in the league, think we had a 2 point start on the handicap

Was a good thread on your board before the final the general theme was we had no chance.

Lol.

I remember that is was very humerous.

Posters such as Enicomb and kingwarrior stating that "It will be the worst final in history" and that "Hudds will smash 'em" and "Hudds by 40" etc.

Are you really so upset about it?

Some people need to get out more.

Remind me where I said we'd been wrote off?

My issue is simple. We lose against leeds, saints and Wigan. So the media and opposition fans question whether we have the ability to win the League given we'd have to play most of, if not all of, the teams we've lost against to do it.

However, from a consistency point of view, we have lost to other title contenders only!! We haven't been beaten by Salford, we haven't been beaten by Castleford, we haven't been beaten by Harelquins!!

So answer me this, from a consistency point of view who is more likely to win the title?

We have our @rses handed to us?

Right, so it was only our kicks that let us down against saints and we were within an inch of beating wigan? That constitutes having our @rses handed to us?

How would you then term the Saints Sull game, or the Salford Saints game, the Saints Wigan game or the Hull KR Saints game??