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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "I'd love to see some of these people criticising teachers in front of a class of 30 14 year olds and last more than a day, never mind a term! And then have to work late into the evening preparing classes or marking.'"



my heart bleeds...they chose to be in that profession..

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All high schools in Warrington are shut again tommorow!!!

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Quote: Les Boyd Is God "my heart bleeds...they chose to be in that profession..'"


I wasn't commenting on teachers, I was commenting on people criticising teachers when they couldn't do the job.

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Quote: runningman29 "The salary isn't that good you say!£32,200 for the average classroom teacher for 9mths work.Suppose you think they should be on more.Your living on a different planet if you think they do.'"


I've read most of the bile you've had to say about teachers and I don't care what you've read in the papers or heard from your mate down the pub, the majority of what you've said is misguided nonsense.

Firstly I'm married to a teacher (I know, I can't wait for her to retire so I can use all that money to buy a penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park) She gets up at 6am and travels 20 miles to her South Warrington school. A typical day will see her return for about 6.30pm. She then spends roughly 2 hours marking books, planning lessons and writing out individual performance plans, she typically does this 3 nights a week and I don't care how hard you find it to believe but teachers do work when they're on annual leave. My wife teaches Key Stage 2 and last year had to mark 90 SATS papers in a week.

Secondly and most importantly it is NOT the teachers that decide to close the school, it's the LEA. Another important thing is that from university, teachers are now actively told at university to apply for jobs away from their
respective towns as a preference which means travel. If a teacher cannot make a safe commute and they're are not enough teachers to teach then the
school has to shut. Simples.

You have no right to personally lambast teachers when A) they are not responsible for the closures and B) you have an uneducated opinion of the what the teaching role involves.

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Quote: Wire Legend "I've read most of the bile you've had to say about teachers and I don't care what you've read in the papers or heard from your mate down the pub, the majority of what you've said is misguided nonsense.

Firstly I'm married to a teacher (I know, I can't wait for her to retire so I can use all that money to buy a penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park) She gets up at 6am and travels 20 miles to her South Warrington school. A typical day will see her return for about 6.30pm. She then spends roughly 2 hours marking books, planning lessons and writing out individual performance plans, she typically does this 3 nights a week and I don't care how hard you find it to believe but teachers do work when they're on annual leave. My wife teaches Key Stage 2 and last year had to mark 90 SATS papers in a week.

Secondly and most importantly it is NOT the teachers that decide to close the school, it's the LEA. Another important thing is that from university, teachers are now actively told at university to apply for jobs away from their
respective towns as a preference which means travel. If a teacher cannot make a safe commute and they're are not enough teachers to teach then the
school has to shut. Simples.

You have no right to personally lambast teachers when A) they are not responsible for the closures and B) you have an uneducated opinion of the what the teaching role involves.'"
Talking about bile,that's what i'm reading now.Did i say teachers were to blame for the closures?You'll see if your little brain can scroll to my previous posts that nowhere have i said they are to blame although you won't see many of them complaining.Secondly do you know how many people are on minimum wage working just as hard as your teacher wife?Lastly £32k IS the average wage of a classroom teacher + if you say it's not then the BBC website which is probably the worlds most respected news organisation is giving out false information so when your head has come out of your bottom you might realise that for a nice salary + the benefits that the job comes with,life as a teacher compared with alot of people isn't so bad afterall.

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Quote: runningman29 "Talking about bile,that's what i'm reading now.Did i say teachers were to blame for the closures?You'll see if your little brain can scroll to my previous posts that nowhere have i said they are to blame although you won't see many of them complaining.Secondly do you know how many people are on minimum wage working just as hard as your teacher wife?Lastly £32k IS the average wage of a classroom teacher + if you say it's not then the BBC website which is probably the worlds most respected news organisation is giving out false information so when your head has come out of your bottom you might realise that for a nice salary + the benefits that the job comes with,life as a teacher compared with alot of people isn't so bad afterall.'"


I am familiar with the BBC, I have to be when they pay me my salary every month but thank you for the concern icon_smile.gif

I refer to your second and third post, granted you don't directly accuse teachers for the closure but you do start slating them with comments that are inaccurate and unfair.

You're probably right about 32k being the average salary although it does take several years from qualifying as a teacher to get to that level of salaray (they start on about 20k outside of London) and there's a lot more pressure on new teachers to perform.

Anywho, back to the snow.....

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Quote: Kol Witless "Wirefan,

The fact that my posts annoy you won't cause me to loose any sleep. It would, after all, be a strange and dull World if we all shared the same opinions.

I do however take exception at you referring to me as "stupid" for making a journey to Preston. Today millions of people up and down the country will have made a motorway journey similar to mine for all sorts of reasons. By your definition all of these millions of people are "stupid". Think hard, is this genuinely what you believe? Because if it is, those millions that you have labelled as stupid, and which undoubtedly will include some of your friends and family, probably won't appreciate your opinion of them either.

Given your protestations and taking into account that you don't want to be "stupid" like the rest of us, it is fair to assume that you cannot have been anywhere near a motorway, let alone Preston, in the last few days (if you have you are a hypocrite sir). How therefore can you possibly be qualified to tell me that the motorways are not pleasant to drive on? If you have not driven on them you simply have no evidence to the contrary and it is impossible for you to make this judgement - so I suggest that you keep this comment and that regarding my driving ability (30 years without a single conviction or accident) to yourself.

I am neither a fan of motor cars or motoring programmes, and if you are under the illusion that my that my opinions are in some way shaped by self important television presenters then you are sadly mistaken. My reference to "BMW driving idiots" was an intended rhetorical criticism of a lot of high powered vehicle drivers who have little consideration for other road users, which because you took it literally seems to have gone over your head.

Why you should be so interested in what car I drive? God alone knows. As I alluded to above I have little or no interest in what car I drive providing that I arrive at my destination safetly and in relative comfort.

Since you ask the question, nobody did ask, so it was perhaps wrong of me to inform other readers that I always (irrespective of the weather) arrive at work at around 7-7.30am. The point that I was making, which you might have missed again, was that there are alternative ways of getting to work on time even in the most inclement of conditions - one of them being leaving home at the crack of dawn if necessary.

As for me being "a cut above the rest", I'm not sure how or why you have drawn this conclusion. I am a regular, hard working family man from a poor working class background who just happens to have strong opinions and ethics. I make no apologies for these, I am only sorry that you have misinterpreted them to make me seem something that I am not.'"


I'm glad you didn't get stuck in the snow because I'd pity the others who got stranded with you and had to listen to you drone on and on and on and on and on.

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Quote: Stinky Turner "I'm glad you didn't get stuck in the snow because I'd pity the others who got stranded with you and had to listen to you drone on and on and on and on and on.'"


I'd rather be stuck with him than listen to some of the guff you come out with Paul.

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Quote: Latchford Wolvesfan "I'd rather be stuck with him than listen to some of the guff you come out with Paul.'"


Isn't that mouthwash?

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Quote: Latchford Wolvesfan "I'd rather be stuck with him than listern to some of the guff you come out with Paul.'"


Kevin Sinfield - care to let us in on where you got fed all the crap from?

Or is he still signing "Mr Inside Knowledge" my arris

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Quote: JWP "Isn't that mouthwash?'"


No but this is what your looking for......



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Apologies for maintaining this off thread orientation. But I feel compelled to comment on the amount of people who defend partners/ spouses/relatives who teach.

Rather confusing.

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Do you think they are defending them, or just commenting from a knowledgeable perspective?

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Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Apologies for maintaining this off thread orientation. But I feel compelled to comment on the amount of people who defend partners/ spouses/relatives who teach.

Rather confusing.'"


I'd defend you monkeyman, to the hilt. I won't have a bad word said about my getdownmonkeyman.

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Quote: The All New Chester Wire "Do you think they are defending them, or just commenting from a knowledgeable perspective?'"


In the manner it has been delivered, I would say defending.

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