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| Quote: Moe syslak "Joel monaghan scored a try per game. Chris hicks scored the best hat trick Wembley has ever seen. Yet every person who has seen dessie play in 87/88 has to choose which one of those 2 to leave out. That tells you all you need to know about Des!'"
A good thread this, and I'm sure that everyone who saw him play wouldn't be disappointed to see him on a Wire team sheet, or at your Birthday Party, but sorry Moe I don't the think the votes for Drummond are as unequivocal as you think I make it 7 to 4 in Desi's favour (obviously guessing from their picks who might have seen who play).
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Interesting to see how many people have Carvell/Hill over Cooper. Still don’t think he gets the recognition he deserves. Been a great servant to us. Been out best prop consistently now for a few years.'"
My reasoning behind was that for me Carvell & Morley had a better partnership then any other pair of props from 2002 onwards, they seemed to compliment each very well and we did actually dominate sides, where as currently we struggle in that area if we come up against a big pack. Especially, during the period of 2009-12 when we won the 3 CC’s and the league leaders shield in 2011, we would really match any side pound for pound down the middle. If Cooper goes onto play a few more years at his current level and wins a couple more trophies, I’m sure over time he would get more recognition.
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| 1. Brian Johnson
2. Phil Ford
3. Phil Blake
4. Jonathan Davies
5. John Bevan
6. John Woods
7. Alex Murphy
8. Les Boyd
9. Kevin Tamati
10. Dave Chisnall
11. Mike Nicolas
12. Tommy Martyn
13. Mike Gregory
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| Quote: Mighty_Wires88 "My reasoning behind was that for me Carvell & Morley had a better partnership then any other pair of props from 2002 onwards, they seemed to compliment each very well and we did actually dominate sides, where as currently we struggle in that area if we come up against a big pack. Especially, during the period of 2009-12 when we won the 3 CC’s and the league leaders shield in 2011, we would really match any side pound for pound down the middle. If Cooper goes onto play a few more years at his current level and wins a couple more trophies, I’m sure over time he would get more recognition.'"
Cooper left to go to the NRL in some of his prime years which makes it harder for him to get in to all time Wire teams but also whilst he has been a good and consistent player for a long time I don't think his peak was as good as Hill, Morley or Carvell. His closer comparison is Paul Wood. I rate Paul Wood slightly higher but can understand if others prefer Cooper.
Here's a question about Mike Cooper though. How far back do you have to go, to think of another Warrington-born player who had a better rugby league career than he has had. Bobby Fulton?
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| Quote: rubber duckie "1. Brian Johnson
2. Phil Ford
3. Phil Blake
4. Jonathan Davies
5. John Bevan
6. John Woods
7. Alex Murphy
8. Les Boyd
9. Kevin Tamati
10. Dave Chisnall
11. Mike Nicolas
12. Tommy Martyn
13. Mike Gregory'"
Very interesting RD, looking at your choices I suspect we are of a similar vintage but I but 8 of yours wouldn’t make my list. Just goes to show how subjective these things are!
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| Quote: Captain Hook "Very interesting RD, looking at your choices I suspect we are of a similar vintage but I but 8 of yours wouldn’t make my list. Just goes to show how subjective these things are!'"
I was loggers about jiffy for 1... but Johnson’s trys were far more graceful with greater frequency.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "
Here's a question about Mike Cooper though. How far back do you have to go, to think of another Warrington-born player who had a better rugby league career than he has had. Bobby Fulton?'"
Stuart "The Original Traitor" Wright
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| Quote: Boss Hog "Stuart "The Original Traitor" Wright'"
You could even argue Andy Coley.
Sally could have opened a can of worms.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "You could even argue Andy Coley.
Sally could have opened a can of worms.'"
There won't be that many worms in it as there haven't been that many successful players who were born in Warrington.
Cooper v Coley is a good one.
Cooper won a handful more international caps, played in the NRL and won 2 Challenge Cup winners medals, compared to Coley's 1.
On the other hand, Coley won a Grand Final.
Whose career would you have preferred to have? Cooper's for me, especially as Coley never got to play for Wire.
I wish we had signed Coley from Swinton when Salford signed him. I think Mike Gregory would have been Swinton coach at the time. He would have been a great asset for our pack during the Cullen era.
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| Stuart Wright, Warrington lad played for Widnes....Had a shop on Winwick Road
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| Didn't mike Cooper have a serious illness when very young and at the start of his career ?
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| I think Cooper suffered complications(was it a blood clot?)after an operation on a broken leg.
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| Quote: BrianBradyHandOff "Stuart Wright, Warrington lad played for Widnes....Had a shop on Winwick Road'"
Always used to avoid J Bevan at all costs.
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| Didn't a Warringtonian play for Hull for a long time ?....Was his name Dick Gemmel ?
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| Dick Gemmell , i think he had a few years at Leeds too. Wasn't Matt Cook a Warrington lad ?
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