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After the way Smith masterminded the semi-final win exploiting Tomkins weaknesses leading to King's walk-in hat-trick I reckon that Smith is well aware that Sheens would spot the weaknesses just as easily.

Tomkins is too big a risk and has never produced in a pressure game. Perhaps after he's had more than 20 or so first grade games he'll be ready to make a mark in a big game. Until then Myler everytime.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Paul Youane "After the way Smith masterminded the semi-final win exploiting Tomkins weaknesses leading to King's walk-in hat-trick I reckon that Smith is well aware that Sheens would spot the weaknesses just as easily.

Tomkins is too big a risk and has never produced in a pressure game. Perhaps after he's had more than 20 or so first grade games he'll be ready to make a mark in a big game. Until then Myler everytime.'"


And Myler has done it in bigs games has he?

I seem to remember Tomkins having a blinder against Leeds at home infront of 20,000 people. Oh and the must win game at Castleford he got MOM and scored 3 tries. Oh and last week in his first international he did the same. Oh and he did pretty well in the play-offs as well.

Tomkins is way ahead of Myler.

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Quote: Odemwingie "And Myler has done it in bigs games has he?

I seem to remember Tomkins having a blinder against Leeds at home infront of 20,000 people. Oh and the must win game at Castleford he got MOM and scored 3 tries. Oh and last week in his first international he did the same. Oh and he did pretty well in the play-offs as well.

Tomkins is way ahead of Myler.'"


You need to take your Cherry and $hite glasses off mate. Tomkins has done nothing all year at any half decent level.

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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Paul Youane "You need to take your Cherry and $hite glasses off mate. Tomkins has done nothing all year at any half decent level.'"


icon_lol.gif even most of the wire fans on here will laugh at that comment.

He has not got in the dream team, and got young player of the year and turned Wigans year around by not playing to a hald decent level icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Odemwingie "icon_lol.gif even most of the wire fans on here will laugh at that comment.

He has not got in the dream team, and got young player of the year and turned Wigans year around by not playing to a hald decent level
Not got the tempermant for the top level. Look at the semi-final. He had tears in his eyes when Matt King was laughing at him when he scored the second of his hat-trick. The Aussies and Kiwis would crucify him.

Stop being so biased.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: Paul Youane "You need to take your Cherry and $hite glasses off mate. Tomkins has done nothing all year at any half decent level.'"


And what has Myler done exactly that is so much better than Tomkins? Not that I'm disagreeing with Tony Smith by the way, but to see why you think Myler deserves his chance on what basis more than Sam? When was Myler's last good game?

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Quote: Mini Rogue "David Waite IMO was heading GB in the right direction, the last coach IMO who made the correct selections based on performances rather than reputation. That was also when we had any realistic chance of winning test series against the Aussies, even though we didn't win any of them we was more closer then than what we are now and alot of the good work was down to him.'"


Mini Rogue you clearly know your Rugby League but i must pick you up on the bit in Red....

David Waite constantly ignored,played out of position or left on the Bench good performing halfbacks such as Briers,Deacon and Horne on regular occasions...

Sculthorpe and Farrell were played at halfback a few times...And i even recall him starting Richard Horne on the wing against Australia.....

Good work my ar$e....I thought his coaching was awful...

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Yes it's quite obvious that smith is just picking all the Warrington players because he is Warrington coach. If only he had the coaching knowledge of some slightly dubious Wigan fans.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "And what has Myler done exactly that is so much better than Tomkins? Not that I'm disagreeing with Tony Smith by the way, but to see why you think Myler deserves his chance on what basis more than Sam? When was Myler's last good game?'"


Myler was better against Wales. Its alright Tomkins grabbing the headlines off the back of Myler's grafting to create the space but it is the mis-tackles stats from Saturday Smith will have been interested in. England can't afford to have players who miss the number of tackles that Tomkins has at international level.

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Quote: Mini Rogue "And what has Myler done exactly that is so much better than Tomkins? but to see why you think Myler deserves his chance on what basis more than Sam? '"

1) He tore the french apart

2) Read below.

Sam Tomkins

Appearances 22
Tries 12
Assists 7

Richie Myler

Appearances 18
Tries 11
Assists 15

and that is in a much worse team. Thanks for coming, it's been a pleasure.

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saint mully wrote: It was disappointing to see the numbers leaving after the Lee Smith try when I was coming back in from the toilets, I could hardly get back in scully = god wrote: We have the worst fans in the league. FACT. What we need is the passion Wigan fans have.:3064.gif



Quote: Buc "1) He tore the french apart

2) Read below.

Sam Tomkins

Appearances 22
Tries 12
Assists 7

Richie Myler

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Tries 11
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and that is in a much worse team. Thanks for coming, it's been a pleasure.'"


Myler played against a French team that had other Super League stars in it and against a French team that had half a team missing.

Sam won the young player of the year award and selected in the super league dream team, Myler has hardly played since July. The only people who are thinking Myler should be in are Warrington fans, hardly surprising.

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Quote: robbierotten "imo i think the game,against France will be Mylers chance to prove himself.If he has another shocker,Smith will play Tomkins.We all know what Tomkins can do,that nice little side step and dash.(thats about it).

I just think Myler has more about him then Tomkins.'"



some one else who`s spotted this....cant see the aussies falling for this trick.....and his defence is rubbish as well...

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Quote: Mini Rogue " selected in the super league dream team..'"


Should we have played Penny 2 years ago then? Purely based on that? If Myler had played the rest of the season instead of resting so he wasn't injured to sign for us then he'd have walked it, as his stats prove.

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Quote: Buc "1) He tore the french apart

2) Read below.

Sam Tomkins

Appearances 22
Tries 12
Assists 7
Tackles 328
Missed Tackles 43
Tackle busts 58
Metres 1431
Errors 10
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Richie Myler

Appearances 18
Tries 11
Assists 15
Tackles 181
Missed tackles 39
Tackle busts 28
Metres 1095
Errors 18
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and that is in a much worse team. Thanks for coming, it's been a pleasure.'"


It's an even greater pleasure to add a few more stats.

The number of tackles, metres, tackle busts and errors show the real story.

Not to mention tho 40:20 when Myler is perceived to have the better kicking game.

You are the weakest link . goodbye. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It's an even greater pleasure to add a few more stats.

The number of tackles, metres, tackle busts and errors show the real story.

Not to mention tho 40.

You are the weakest link . goodbye.
Perceived by who? Why make things up?

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