| FORUMS > Warrington Wolves > Grade D Offence |
 |
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 19907 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Oct 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
1883.jpg
Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.
www.squadbuilder.co.uk:1883.jpg |
|
| Quote: Wires71 "I understand the offence was the 15.1b offence of "When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent" the Grade D indicates it was "by Intentional – stiff arm tackle – no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent".
Ben pleaded guilty to this (deliberate
I wish I could muster up the energy/enthusiasm to laugh at them. The shake of a head and the odd look up to the sky is the best I can do at the moment.
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 8177 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2017 | Oct 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
5414.jpg
[quote="Bob Paisley":y3z7f3as]A lot of teams beat us, do a lap of honour and don't stop running. They live too long on one good result. I remember Jimmy Adamson crowing after Burnley had beaten us once and that his players were in a different league. At the end of the season they were.[/quote:y3z7f3as]
[quote="WireFanatic II":y3z7f3as]Why, if it isn't Catalancs, RLFANS answer to a question no-one asked![/quote:y3z7f3as]:5414.jpg |
|
| Quote: Wires71 "I understand the offence was the 15.1b offence of "When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent" the Grade D indicates it was "by Intentional – stiff arm tackle – no attempt to tackle legitimately – violent".
Ben pleaded guilty to this (deliberate Justice has been served.
I'm glad the players laugh at us, I won't feel as bad now returning the compliment.'"
This is another part that interests me. Surely, from the clubs point of view they should have gone in and pleaded not guilty to this charge and admitted guilt to the lesser charge, ie, the one that Fakir was given, a Grade C offence.
Surely he hasn't gone in, with representatives, and pleaded guilty to intentionally smacking the bloke in the face. If that's the case, then questions need to be asked about the players representatives. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 13920 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
26249_1542017975.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26249.jpg |
|
| Quote: keithcun "This is another part that interests me. Surely, from the clubs point of view they should have gone in and pleaded not guilty to this charge and admitted guilt to the lesser charge, ie, the one that Fakir was given, a Grade C offence.
Surely he hasn't gone in, with representatives, and pleaded guilty to intentionally smacking the bloke in the face. If that's the case, then questions need to be asked about the players representatives.'"
Their strategy might have been to mitigate sentence by admitting the offence. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 4190 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j]
"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
|
| Quote: keithcun "
This is another part that interests me. Surely, from the clubs point of view they should have gone in and pleaded not guilty to this charge and admitted guilt to the lesser charge, ie, the one that Fakir was given, a Grade C offence.
Surely he hasn't gone in, with representatives, and pleaded guilty to intentionally smacking the bloke in the face. If that's the case, then questions need to be asked about the players representatives.'"
Well if he went in with Lowes, Lowes was probably leaning back on the two legs of his chair with feet on the table explaining how it's not about him and it's easy at the top. |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Coach | 4878 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Oct 2012 | Aug 2012 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
10206.jpg
:10206.jpg |
|
| Quote: newky "It may have looked deliberate but i quote "looked" unless westwood pleaded guilty to it being deliberate, then in my eyes they should provide evidence sufficient enough to prove otherwise. But im not posting again on here cause your all trumped up little trumps, whom the players laugh at when they read your posts.'"
Players don't take any notice of these boards..  |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 8177 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Nov 2017 | Oct 2013 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
5414.jpg
[quote="Bob Paisley":y3z7f3as]A lot of teams beat us, do a lap of honour and don't stop running. They live too long on one good result. I remember Jimmy Adamson crowing after Burnley had beaten us once and that his players were in a different league. At the end of the season they were.[/quote:y3z7f3as]
[quote="WireFanatic II":y3z7f3as]Why, if it isn't Catalancs, RLFANS answer to a question no-one asked![/quote:y3z7f3as]:5414.jpg |
|
| Quote: Wires71 "Their strategy might have been to mitigate sentence by admitting the offence.'"
But surely intent is very hard to prove and I see that's the only difference between the Grade C and D. |
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 11464 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
15968.gif
:15968.gif |
|
| Quote: Thelonius "Well if he went in with Lowes, Lowes was probably leaning back on the two legs of his chair with feet on the table explaining how it's not about him and it's easy at the top.'"
 |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 13920 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
26249_1542017975.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26249.jpg |
|
| Quote: keithcun "But surely intent is very hard to prove and I see that's the only difference between the Grade C and D.'"
I agree but not sure if you can bargain with the RFL and offer to plead to a lesser offence that the one you have been charged (unlike criminal case defence and the CPS for example).
Anyway we should get the full notes here shortly. rlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| International Board Member | 19907 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| May 2002 | 22 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Oct 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
1883.jpg
Didn't William Webb Ellis pick up the ball and run, someone should really tell Rugby Union.
www.squadbuilder.co.uk:1883.jpg |
|
| Quote: keithcun "This is another part that interests me. Surely, from the clubs point of view they should have gone in and pleaded not guilty to this charge and admitted guilt to the lesser charge, ie, the one that Fakir was given, a Grade C offence.
Surely he hasn't gone in, with representatives, and pleaded guilty to intentionally smacking the bloke in the face. If that's the case, then questions need to be asked about the players representatives.'"
Maybe they were given the nod to plead guilty and get five, plead not guilty and get six on a rejected appeal? |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 13920 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
26249_1542017975.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26249.jpg |
|
| Quote: keithcun "But surely intent is very hard to prove and I see that's the only difference between the Grade C and D.'"
To be honest, he probably knew he was up for it having, less than a year ago, pleading guilty to 06/04/08 Law: 15.1(b) Detail: Reckless about outcome Grade:C
PS - James Lowes does respresent the player accoring to the notes. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 13920 | |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jun 2006 | 18 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
26249_1542017975.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26249.jpg |
|
| Quote: getdownmonkeyman "Maybe they were given the nod to plead guilty and get five, plead not guilty and get six on a rejected appeal?'"
Doubt it. He was charged as Grade D which carries the tariff of 3-5 match ban, he got the maximum they could give him for that offence. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 4190 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Apr 2005 | 19 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Apr 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
[quote="Eddie Hemmings said not ":1h9um51j]
"Remember last time they were here, the Huddersfield Giants, they lost to a Luke Walsh drop goal. He's only scored four drop goals in his St Helens career has Luke Walsh and each and every one of them have been scored by Luke Walsh"[/quote:1h9um51j]: |
|
| Quote: Wires71 "
Doubt it. He was charged as Grade D which carries the tariff of 3-5 match ban, he got the maximum they could give him for that offence.'"
You would have thought that pleading guilty results in a lesser punishment than pleading not guilty but then being found guilty (isn't that roughly how it works in the courts?). Perhaps their rational was to plead guilty and get less than the maximum (4 or maybe even 3 games) but their policy backfired. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Club Owner | 5952 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Aug 2003 | 21 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Mar 2018 | May 2014 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
6580.jpg
:6580.jpg |
|
| Quote: Wires71 "Doubt it. He was charged as Grade D which carries the tariff of 3-5 match ban, he got the maximum they could give him for that offence.'" 3-5 is the normal punishment for this offence. If a players past record is bad, then the committee are guided to increase the ban length. |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 4856 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2008 | 17 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Feb 2022 | Feb 2022 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
Black Backgrounds/Scooter.gif
Looking forward to the future......
not livin in the past...:Black Backgrounds/Scooter.gif |
|
| Quote: Dave T "3-5 is the normal punishment for this offence. If a players past record is bad, then the committee are guided to increase the ban length.'" Wasnt the last person that happened to sonny nickel years ago,didnt he get something like 6 matches,appealed then ended up with 8..
didnt he use them up in A team games as well?? |
|
|
|
|
| Rank | Posts | Team |
| Player Coach | 9679 | No
Team
Selected |
| Joined | Service | Reputation |
| Jan 2009 | 16 years | |
| Online | Last Post | Last Page |
| Sep 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
| Milestone Posts |
|
| Milestone Years |
|
|
| Location |
|
| Signature |
42175_1290030542.gif
[img:2b6g88ns]http://news.google.co.uk/news/tbn/ryI1dIYrb1oJ[/img:2b6g88ns]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_42175.gif |
|
|
Good old RFL sreknaw
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
