I've herd more noise on my nephews computer when he's playing subuteo. It is like a library at there end sssshhhhh

So when do we find out when the Ginger pearl necklace is up before Red Hall...tomorrow?

Btw Hatfield...hope you enjoyed your 1st Wigan away, personally thought the atmosphere in the North stand was fantastic,hopefully the south stand do us proud on the return fixture in a few weeks time.

Yes they look at all the games on a monday and post it that day with the outcomes on a tuesday.

Charge grade B light contact with the knee 1-2 games

It still wasn't cowardly. Cassidy on Morley. Flower on Hohaia, Westwood on Green etc I class as cowardly. It was many things (foul play included) but it wasn't cowardly. I also don't think it was an attempt to injure as he both hit the ground and hit the legs. I know where I'd aim for if I wanted to take him out of the game. Deserved ban, it's creeping into the game, particularly when it comes to tackles on the wing close to the line (It was Russell on Manfredi btw, not nearly as cynical but it was there) over the last couple of seasons and hopefully this time the message gets through that you can't do it.

This whole thing that Wane was filmed saying too is a bit daft. Like coaches up and down the country haven't used emotive language and exaggeration to fire their players up. Rugby League players are certainly able to read between the lines. I'm sure all of them in that dressing room heard "Create mayhem, be reckless, knock people out" and understood it to mean "be agressive, get in their faces, hit them hard, take risks". I mean, I know people think he is, but Wane (and the Wigan team) aren't nearly that stupid to say that when the cameras are rolling.

Must be a windup. How is it not cowardly? Aiming your knees at a smaller player lying on his side and defenceless is cowardly.

In reference to wane:

"Knock people out. I can't give you any more of a free reign than that. Be reckless because that's what is going to get us the f****** win next week! Is everybody clear on that?"

How can you interpret that any differently? It is what it is and just confirmed what we all knew about Wigan (under Wane). Just look up the definition of reckless.

No surprise that of the 7 incidents the disciplinary panel looked at from our game only 1 was a Warrington Player.

Oh look... a Wigan fan mentioning the Westwood punch on Green.

Never saw that coming.

I havent suggested it was the most cowardly act I have seen. I just think it was cowardly as others have said. The size of a player does have something to it - if I was playing I would prefer Ratchford coming after me for retribution rather than someone like Ben Westwood.

I am sorry but I fail to see how you or any other person with a brain can interpret Wanes comments any other way. They are in reference to crap defence and knocking people out. Reckless is a very odd word to use if you don't intend it to mean it's true meaning. Especially when considered against the rest of what he says.

Wigan have reputation nowadays across the league which isn't a coincidence. All clubs have incidents of poor discipline / dangerous play - wigan just have more.

To be fair, neither did Green!

Sorry it was someone else who said that, my mistake. As for the weight, it matters, but shouldn't matter when reviewing incidents like this. If the stats online are correct there's only 5kg difference between them anyway. Farrell isn't the biggest back rower going (probably why he is IMO ineffective at international level).

I can speak as someone who has played RL for a number of years and has been told by coaches similar things that Wane told his players. I've been told to knock people out, I've been told to be reckless - it's more evocative and gets you in the right mind set that the coach wants you to. I knew what he meant and didn't knock anyone out nor was I reckless to the definition but played a little bit riskier.

I'm aware of Wigan's reputation, but I emplore you to prove it because I've certainly tried. Stats are notoriously difficult to find but for this season at least they are nowhere near the most penalised team (not always indicative of foul play I know) and Farrell is the first person to be banned this year. No player has had a significant injury as a result of contact with Wigan. I know these are all quite vague but I honestly believe, as someone who watches at least 3 games of RL and who has played it for at least 10 years that whilst they're no angels, they're also no worse than many teams. They're under the microscope a lot more, more TV games, more publicity when a player does something and plus the reputation they have.

Let's just agree to disagree as this could well go on forever. What's done is done, Farrell was 100% in the wrong and deserves his ban and I genuinely hope it cuts this out across the sport because it's not right.



Why shouldn't it be brought up? It's relevent to the topic at hand and a perfect counterpoint to certain accusations. Glass houses and that.

It's not that it should not be brought up, it's that between that and the sims on Williams last year, you've got nothing else to pick on. Whereas you've got a ing laundry list as long as my leg for incidents involving Wigan going all the way back to when fadge took over. Stuff that you got pinged for and stuff you've got away with.

Oh sorry, Paul wood punching about 2 years ago in retaliation.


Going back to the metaphor involving your mum, does your mum's siblings, or several offspring have previous for being complete and total s sort of connected to what she used to say ? Probably not, so they're not comparable in any way.

You know what the problem really is, over the last five years youve got players who have massive ty chips on their shoulders, like the tomkins bros, mccilorum, Crosby, and a few others, but what's surprising is how many players you've signed that seem to have the Wigan scowl and attitude, flower and dudson were pretty normal forwards at the crusaders, sarginson and clubb, I don't know what you've done to club but he seems a right horrible now compared to when he was at London.

It was no surprise that bateman signed for you, cos he's a horrid niggly house, notice you didn't pick up whitehead from Bradford.

Can we just note as well, I didn't even mention Gareth hock during this, or Joel Tomkins elbow drop on myler after scoring in 2011 which was so late there was an Olympics and world cup in between the try being scored and him hitting him.

That would have been me, but to be fair I did say one of the most cowardly acts, not the most cowardly. I would also say that much of that post was written in the spur of the moment within seconds of watching the match on TV for the first time. However, I stand by my comment about it being cowardly.



You clearly come across as an intelligent and articulate individual and would obviously take some statements and instructions with a pinch of salt whether it be from a coach or your mother. But we are talking about a group of testosterone fueled young guys, desperate to win, many of who are hardly the sharpest tools in the box, being told by a guy they possibly idolize and would do just about anything for to go out and knock people out, cause mayhem etc. If Shaun Wane built his players up before the Saints Grand Final in the way he did on that video, then it could be argued that he is partially responsible for Ben Flowers ott assult on Lance Hohaia and from there wigans defeat as well.

Anyway, chip paper now, can't wait for the return at the HJ.

Call me Sherlock, but I'm spotting a common denominator in all this.

I've put my deerstalker on, played my violin, and consulted my friend John, and come up with these clues.

Our perpetrator
1) has a penchant for bananas
2) on a team defeat, will regularly put emphasis on a ref's performance
3) likes to talk about winning/losing "the floor"
4) during lovemaking, he will mistakingly call his wife "Mickymac"
5) an anagram of his name is HAS A NEW UN
6) is an odious gobpooh, with no redeeming character traits at all

As a well known Australian sex offender would say....

"Can you tell who it is, yet?"