is it any wonder though .....take last year for example when new signing Ryan Atkins was asked if he thought Warrington could go one better and win the two trophies... and he said "yes theres no reason why we cant"

cue the pie eaters claiming we are all arogant cocks saying we are going to win the lot...

I find its only worthwhile listening to a pie eater if they are in posession of a geniune certificate from the 'i'm not a simpleton society' otherwise give em a wide berth.

you should see a pie eater in Leigh they have to get clarification on Pies ...god forbid they eat a lobby by mistake...

I haven't seen anything to suggest Amos has said what you allege. If you have then I suggest you write to Wigan and the RL.

If anyone associated with a club uses the word gay in a negative way then that would be a breach of the RL's guidance to clubs on homophobia. I would support action against any person breaching those guidelines, whether connected with Wigan or any other club.

you are so far up yourself it's untrue! get over yourself!

I'm getting the feeling the subject matter may well be a little close to home for him.

Thou protesteth to much.

A truly appalling post. I wonder how many other people in RL share your views given some of the nonsense spouted on this thread and the one on the Wigan board.

I'll be interested to see what if any action is taken by the moderators on this. The RFL has said it wants a zero tolerance approach on homophobia and I am being attacked in this and other posts for following that line. Unbelievable.

It's ok deano.... Were all friends on here.

Don't remember that, but I do remember ridiculing you after Matty Cooper had said you weren't afraid of St Helens and would beat them if you drew them despite not beating them since their star man Guy Fawkes was out due to unforeseen circumstances and having not won at Knowsley Road since a young Joseph of Arimethea caught a Thomas Doubter bomb in the dying seconds to go over.

With regards to the Monaghan case, he will take stick but dependant on how far it goes should determine whether fines are handed out not Tony Smith, and it is NOTHING like the Thomas case.

Can we break this down AGAIN

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So good natured abuse is inevitable AND IF it's good fun FAIR ENOUGH
So he isn't putting a blanket ban in a catch all policy of abuse just saying DON'T go over the top.
Reading in to this he probably means vitriolic abuse

[quote:1q3zx4yn]Last June, =#FF0000:1q3zx4yn]Castleford Tigers were fined £40,000:1q3zx4yn] ($64,000) =#FF0000:1q3zx4yn]after their supporters aimed:1q3zx4yn] homophobic =#FF0000:1q3zx4yn]abuse :1q3zx4yn]at Celtic Crusaders winger Gareth Thomas, who had revealed he was gay. And Smith is more than ready to demand that the league bosses do the same when Super League returns in February.'"

It's easy to understand. What people are commenting on (or at least I am) is that abusing a player for being gay is totally different to abusing a player for something else.

If someone decides to abuse Stuart Fielden for being knocked out by Mason when we play Hull KR then that is totally different to abusing a player for being gay as would be abusing Raynor or Bailey for their criminal past. Abusing Monaghan for what he did is also different. Yes It's abuse but it's not strictly illegal as homophobic or racial abuse is.

That's why I think it would be tough for Smith to call for clubs to be fined ala Cas.

Who's Matty Cooper?

Whatever his name is.

Micheal Cooper

I get that, but forget the word homophobic and concentrate on the word abuse.

Try it this way
If i assaulted you for being gay or assaulted you for dog fellatio would the police let me off for the 2nd offence ?

Good point

No, but you'd get a harsher sentence for the first.

I just think Smith (or the writer, whoever, but it seems like it was smith implying) that using a case of abuse of a gay man as a precedent. If, for example, a club had been charged for calling Gleeson for the bet scandal, or Hock when he comes back then you can say there is a preceded. I just think it was a mistake to even claim that both types of abuse should be dealt with in the same way.

Homophobia is disgraceful and should result in serious consequences. Shouting out abuse at a man who would have been arrested had he done that act here is a different matter.

And for the poster who claimed that he must be gay as he's arguing this point, grow up.