We got a lot of the decisions today and still couldn't capitalise. Time for change.

Wigan gave us plenty of chances to win and we couldn't do it. Lineham, Hughes, Ratch all had poor games today. I've not seen a team concede a 40/20 on the last tackle before.

Surely he must go now. I would like to say that is our season over but sadly we all know it isn't with the middle 8s to try and muddle through with no leadership, no structure and no idea.

Thanks it is more balanced and I will leave this particular debate here, but, will leave you a final thought or two. As we are on a Smith Out thread if you take stock of our "barren" years what result would you expect in comparison to our peers and if you took stock of the Tony Smith Years from 2009 to 2016 does our position change?

It is prestigious but the WCCF does skew the length of the honours line above win a GF it's BIGOF

I think that even in our barren years it could be argued that we were 4th on the success ladder the disappointment was that we didn't get a couple of emboldened GF's along the way?

Yes fourth. It doesn't matter anyhow as Smith is here to stay. But I think if there were 1 or 2 GF wins in his 8 years we may feel a bit better about it.

I think Lineham is turning into one of our better forwards.

To quote Oliver Cromwell

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

.....is he still here?

He's not going anywhere let's be honest.

Well we will never ever have a better chance of beating a below par Wigan who gifted us chance after chance which if I could list them all I'd be here all night not to mention the brain farts of certain players.Yes the effort was there but you get eff all for that if it ends in another loss so sorry Tone but please make going in work next week pleasurable + just eff the hell off.

"I have not failed. I have just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Richard Agar

Well actually it was Thomas Edison but it could have been Dicky and several others.

He has 250,000 reasons to stay.

Please ignore these so called supporters Tony. I thought you and the team performed well. Another day, another toss of the coin and we could have won. Lady Luck was wearing red and white today

He ignores them anyway. Humour me - why so called supporters? Because they have a different view from you?

Did you go to the Castleford game last week or are you a so called supporter too ? It's silly.

The team performed well? Wow.

Well, if you like conceding penalties, coughing up possession, and losing, I think we were excellent