Cluck bait

Couldn’t agree more about the criticism, and for all King’s mistakes he kept taking the ball in from on our line which must have taken its toll later on.

I agree we were scrappy, and our execution was poor, It's been like that quite a lot this season. If Moylan is on it, the game has gone by half time; 'ifs & buts'. Anyway, Irrespective whether it was red or not, it's easy for Sam to say it's embarrassing when it's your team getting the red, and say nothing when it happens to your opposition. For me, All coaches need to get together , and have some kind of dialogue as to what they are feeling, and come to some agreed outcome about decisions regarding contact to the head. In my view, It should've been yellow, and if Trout fails his HIA, it becomes a red due to the fact that Leigh lose a man (in this case) for 70 minutes, and Trout misses at least the next game.

And if the roles are reversed I hope none of our players clap a red card like Ipape did. Woeful.

Personally, I don't condone that kind of behaviour, or any antagonising antics by players.

The video refs don't have the commentary.

Sam didn't say nothing and called it embarrassing when Hull were given a straight red earlier in the season against us. He is not a hypocrite.

Yeah that's a fair comment, my apologies. However, the whole circus has been left to fester for the rest of the season, and it's continued since then.

How do you lnow?

I would be certain they do , or they have an idea of which way the commentary is being influenced, reason I say this is because the commentary team appear to be saying " its a certain red , he's got to go off the field " . While I am sat there thinking WTF are they watching ? This is on many occasions . Rarely do they speak common sense or seem to remember that they did far worse as players . Would be nice to see Vaughan come out and say that he agrees with the rules but they have to be applied with some sort of common sense . If you take the rules to the extreme all front row players would be red carded after every scrum as there is always contact with the head.

The referees listening to the sky commentary and being influenced by it is the most tinfoil hat wearing idea I've ever heard.

If you think this, have a word with yourself

I think the commentators can hear the video ref judging from the odd comment I've heard some make while the ref is shown "deliberating". But obviously the video ref can't be heard by the rest of us unless it's a try decision. So I don't know.

hmmm ducks and tinfoil, I’m ready for my tea

Am I right in thinking that the referee never used to be influenced by the video ref.
That's what on report was for.

Based on that, Vaughan stays on.
But also if the video ref is ruling in disciplinary issues, where's the punishment for the crusher tackle?

All I want to see is consistency, as I'm sure we all do. I don't want to be discussing the refs performance, he should be irrelevant. Unfortunately that's not the case!!

It's obvious that the commentators can hear more of the video ref's deliberations than we can, and they seek like giddy schoolkids when they get to tell us the outcome half a second before it comes on screen. No reason to believe the VRs can hear the commentary, although I suspect there are some situations where there is only one audio feed and it does happen.