End of day what is happening here is we are finally clearing out the last of the old school we had before TS came along.

This bad culture was all born before TS came along but he for me never fully cleared it, why because we then started to have jobs for the boys so the culture was still alive. Now I think we are getting to the point where we are getting to a clean slate and Powell can put his stamp on things.

Some are not happy with some of the new recruits but what it does is help to build a new culture/ identity and we can go out there and be the club that most of us wanted since we moved to the new stadium. 2023 will and should be start of a new Era. Oh and Jack Hughes still needs to be on the list to go.

Yeah i completely agree Karetaker I'm made up with the signings we've made, and happy we have Amor this year as well, i'd be more happy if we keep Cooper for the rest of this year as well.
Powell is doing what we all wanted and sorting out our front row issues. I'm happy so many players are off contract this year as Powell can change the culture and put his stamp on the club.
Also if the Tanginoa rumour is actually true i will be made up, play him in his best position at second row and he's deadly. And Matt Dufty i'm happy to see what he can do first before i write him off. I've got full faith in Powell still and he's making all the right moves with recruitment so far. Just hope we re-sign Mulhern as well as i really like him, especially if Cooper does in fact leave.

I heard this too, it was Powell s decision to let Hill go.

Hill is playing well for Huddersfield, as we all thought that he would.

Watson did a similar clear out at Huddersfield and their 1st season with him in charge was a disaster, but they have turned the corner now.

I see Dudson and Kasiano as stop gaps given their age, and now we have a loan signing stop gap to fill the gap before the real stop gaps appear. I'm now even more underwhelmed and just hope that I'll be wrong.

I’m not so sure Hill’s release was down to a ‘bad’ attitude, just more of a lack of resilience and leadership for a senior squad member. I think he and a few others became ‘comfortable’ despite showing they could play consistently well. They just don’t have that ‘drive’ to salvage things when the chips are down. If you look at the likes of L Farrell, O’Loughlin, Roby et al, they seem to have a steely resistance that our top leaders lacked. I think this has been something that Powell has perhaps learned about Cooper (which is a shame as he’s been a great servant). Sometimes players can stay too long and things go stale too, just like coaches and Tony Smith.

I like the sweeping changes and the clean slate idea. Back in 1995/96, Saints had gone through a similar transition. All their old pros retired or left. They had a good number of talented young players coming through and signed a maverick scrum half (followed by Sculthorpe the best forward in a generation). Seemed to start a legacy for them.

Is this your final statement or a stop gap?

Joe Philbin is a backrower and the sooner he plays there the better. Amor signing will help a little. Trying to understand what's going on at the club is a waste of time but hopefully all will be clear when comings/goings are finalised.

I think the reality is that the financial situation at all clubs has worsened considerably because of the pandemic, and we're at a point where longer-term contracts will become less common. Getting a young NRL prop like Mikaele for two-and-a-half years is excellent business, and I have no problem with two-year deals for Kasiano and Dudson.

Dudson & Kasiano are both younger than Hill & Cooper.

Some crap being chatted about Hill these days.

Yes he wasn't the perfect captain and had tendency to lose composure and get distracted, but the idea that he was in comfort zone or not committed is total bull. If anything his problems were he was getting frustrated like us fans at all these false dawns and so kept losing his rag on the field.

Maybe he needed a fresh start for his own good, but he was an all time great Wire prop and it was a sad day when he left.

I agree with that but I do think he was symptomatic of our lack of winning culture and elite mentality. In that respect, there's more than one way to be a 'bad egg'.

That said, he was a great player for us and should be remembered as such. Just never captain material.

Quote: sally cinnamon "Some crap being chatted about Hill these days. Yes he wasn't the perfect captain and had tendency to lose composure and get distracted, but the idea that he was in comfort zone or not committed is total bull. If anything his problems were he was getting frustrated like us fans at all these false dawns and so kept losing his rag on the field. Maybe he needed a fresh start for his own good, but he was an all time great Wire prop and it was a sad day when he left.'" Interesting as Chris Hill has just said Quote: sally cinnamon " “I wasn’t enjoying it as much so I thought it was time I moved on and took myself out of my comfort zone'" He was also offered a contract, so we can scotch that myth. Quote: sally cinnamon " It was something of a shock when he turned down the offer of a new contract at the end of last season, opting instead to join Ian Watson’s revolution at the John Smith’s Stadium'" https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... departure/ I suspect he went to Huddersfield as they offered a more lucrative contract. The fact he was "comfortable" with 4 losing Grand Final medals shows his mentality.

Quote: sally cinnamon "Some crap being chatted about Hill these days. Yes he wasn't the perfect captain and had tendency to lose composure and get distracted, but the idea that he was in comfort zone or not committed is total bull. If anything his problems were he was getting frustrated like us fans at all these false dawns and so kept losing his rag on the field. Maybe he needed a fresh start for his own good, but he was an all time great Wire prop and it was a sad day when he left.'" Interesting as Chris Hill has just said Quote: sally cinnamon " “I wasn’t enjoying it as much so I thought it was time I moved on and took myself out of my comfort zone'" He was also offered a contract, so we can scotch that myth. Quote: sally cinnamon " It was something of a shock when he turned down the offer of a new contract at the end of last season, opting instead to join Ian Watson’s revolution at the John Smith’s Stadium'" https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... departure/ I suspect he went to Huddersfield as they offered a more lucrative contract. The fact he was "comfortable" with 4 losing Grand Final medals shows his mentality.

Perhaps a player can also reach a stage of frustration at pulling his tripe out for a cause but some of his team mates are on a different page.