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| There is something uncomfortable about the "hysteria" concerning this virus...
California declared a state of emergency after one elderly man with underlying health conditions died from the virus.
Yet someone will march into a school with an automatic weapon and shoot multiple kids and nothing happens......
Its a strange world...
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| The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.'"
......... especially if your old gran happens to be having a kip on the sofa.
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| Quote: Redvee69 "I doubt it, landed in teneriffe yesterday with jet2, one of the stewardesses told me they have 10 minutes beween the plane emptying and the next passegeres getting on to clean the cabin before the next passengers board, they have just under an hour to refuel, load and unload, get the passengers on and clean the plane between flights'"
Funnily enough I was looking through some studies on t'internet and came across one that looked at where the highest level of bacteria was found. I would have guessed the toilet, but no, it was on that little folding tray that you use to have your snack on.
The safest seat (from people coughing and sneezing) was next to the window.
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Quote: ComeOnYouWolves "Two confirmed cases now in Wigan
rlhttps://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18284145.two-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-wigan/rl'"
I bet that's put a dampener on National Pie Week.
https://pieminister.co.uk/category/even ... -pie-week/
Stronger gravy is the answer.
As I speak, shelves in all WN postcodes are being cleared of Bisto ready mix
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Quote: ComeOnYouWolves "Two confirmed cases now in Wigan
rlhttps://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18284145.two-cases-coronavirus-confirmed-wigan/rl'"
I bet that's put a dampener on National Pie Week.
https://pieminister.co.uk/category/even ... -pie-week/
Stronger gravy is the answer.
As I speak, shelves in all WN postcodes are being cleared of Bisto ready mix
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "The hysteria is because when a new virus comes on the scene, and there isn't immunity in the population from vaccinations or people having had it before, it can grow at a rapid rate.
So the 'hysteria' now is about trying to contain it when its small otherwise it will get out of control.
It's like if you drop a cigarette on your sofa and a flame starts to break out in it, better to get hysterical and throw your jacket on it to smother the flames now, rather than wait and see how things develop and deal with it if it becomes a bigger problem later.'"
I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
as this new bright shiny virus
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Quote: The Railwayman "I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
as this new bright shiny virus'"
They usually do run stories about flu every year, eg: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... inter.html
Most of the media is privately owned so its incentives are to get people to buy a newspaper, click on a website or watch a channel. It's not there to provide measured analysis of risk. The tabloid-style media sources try to balance pandering to their target audience with content that agrees with them whilst also dropping in stuff that makes them concerned enough to want to consume it. They will run stories saying 'climate change is a myth' but at the same time, hype up short-term weather forecasts so you always get these stories of the 'big freeze' coming in the next few months, with much of the UK to be encased in snow and ice.
You've had the same with coronavirus, with tabloids running commentary pieces saying "we're British, this is just a fuss over nothing" but in the same papers, reporting URGENT SHORTAGES of everything. Their typical reader will sit around discussing it over their bacon sarnies at lunch and agree that everyone has gone crazy and they won't be getting stressed about some virus, but then text their missus to get her to pick up toilet paper on the way home just in case.
With the broadsheets its a different approach but similar result. They will have some 'keep calm and carry on' commentary, but they will also have some political commentary along the lines of 'austerity has pushed the NHS to the brink, now coronavirus will push it to collapse'. So their typical reader will pick that up over their matcha latte and then text their partner to say they'll be late because they need to stock up on Waitrose hand sanitiser before picking Tabatha up from school.
On top of the media you have 'fake news' on social media and lots of people fall for that as well.
If it means people are actually worried about the virus and so start behaving in ways that reduce transmission, more rigorous hand washing and cleaning and keeping social distance then some herd behaviour like this is good because it increases the chance that the virus won't be able to infect enough people and will die out like SARS did.
The panic buying behaviour though is a problem, it's the same thing that drove Northern Rock to collapse when everybody wanted to withdraw their money. Coronavirus will burn itself out over time and any impact on supply chains and goods in shops will be time-limited but this is a dry rehearsal for no deal with the EU at the end of the transition period, which is quite likely given how far away both sides are. That would mean long-term disruption to supply chains and if people are going to behave like this we'll have a problem.
The attitude towards no deal last year was "we're British, we got through the war, we'll rally together and deal with it", well coronavirus and potential no-deal will test whether we're willing to help our neighbours or are going to be brawling on the supermarket floor over the last roll of own brand bog roll.
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Quote: The Railwayman "I agree with your sentiment but would still blame the media for whipping this up to a frenzy. They certainly go to town on 'events' like this. No mention yet of how many people have died of flu this year but that is not as exciting
as this new bright shiny virus'"
They usually do run stories about flu every year, eg: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... inter.html
Most of the media is privately owned so its incentives are to get people to buy a newspaper, click on a website or watch a channel. It's not there to provide measured analysis of risk. The tabloid-style media sources try to balance pandering to their target audience with content that agrees with them whilst also dropping in stuff that makes them concerned enough to want to consume it. They will run stories saying 'climate change is a myth' but at the same time, hype up short-term weather forecasts so you always get these stories of the 'big freeze' coming in the next few months, with much of the UK to be encased in snow and ice.
You've had the same with coronavirus, with tabloids running commentary pieces saying "we're British, this is just a fuss over nothing" but in the same papers, reporting URGENT SHORTAGES of everything. Their typical reader will sit around discussing it over their bacon sarnies at lunch and agree that everyone has gone crazy and they won't be getting stressed about some virus, but then text their missus to get her to pick up toilet paper on the way home just in case.
With the broadsheets its a different approach but similar result. They will have some 'keep calm and carry on' commentary, but they will also have some political commentary along the lines of 'austerity has pushed the NHS to the brink, now coronavirus will push it to collapse'. So their typical reader will pick that up over their matcha latte and then text their partner to say they'll be late because they need to stock up on Waitrose hand sanitiser before picking Tabatha up from school.
On top of the media you have 'fake news' on social media and lots of people fall for that as well.
If it means people are actually worried about the virus and so start behaving in ways that reduce transmission, more rigorous hand washing and cleaning and keeping social distance then some herd behaviour like this is good because it increases the chance that the virus won't be able to infect enough people and will die out like SARS did.
The panic buying behaviour though is a problem, it's the same thing that drove Northern Rock to collapse when everybody wanted to withdraw their money. Coronavirus will burn itself out over time and any impact on supply chains and goods in shops will be time-limited but this is a dry rehearsal for no deal with the EU at the end of the transition period, which is quite likely given how far away both sides are. That would mean long-term disruption to supply chains and if people are going to behave like this we'll have a problem.
The attitude towards no deal last year was "we're British, we got through the war, we'll rally together and deal with it", well coronavirus and potential no-deal will test whether we're willing to help our neighbours or are going to be brawling on the supermarket floor over the last roll of own brand bog roll.
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| At least there will be another use for your tabloid when the shelves are empty.
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| Will this see a rationing of The Guardian and other broadsheets?
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| While I understand the obvious concern with this virus, the thing that baffles me is that the figures so far show about 270 people with the virus from over 23000 tested.
Now, i know there are people who are paranoid and hypochondriac, but what symptoms are the 23000 negative result people actually reporting that warrants them needing a test, or does this figure include all people returning from China, Italy, etc?
Ultimately, they aren't going to be able to test everybody, so we are bound to reach a point where people with mild symptoms will just innocently carry on as they would if they had a normal cold/mild flu, and it's from there where problems will balloon and where I believe restrictions, like have been implemented in Italy, will be used.
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| I do the shopping for chez Goldblatt (if Mrs G did it, the trolley would be full of candles and cushions) and lo and behold, selfish/ignorant b@5t@rd5 have got 2x9 packs of toilet roll, and the shelves are empty. Now, we aren't expecting galloping dysentery, but Jeremy Vine and the Daily Mail have told everyone that bog rolls are selling quickly, so the gullible, panic.
Mind you, the Daily Mail MAY just have found a use, at last
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| i had a 2 week work trip to the US cancelled... and now as a classified 'work from home' job role, i am being made to work from home for the next 6 weeks... its been great for me so far.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "While I understand the obvious concern with this virus, the thing that baffles me is that the figures so far show about 270 people with the virus from over 23000 tested.
Now, i know there are people who are paranoid and hypochondriac, but what symptoms are the 23000 negative result people actually reporting that warrants them needing a test, or does this figure include all people returning from China, Italy, etc?
[iUltimately, they aren't going to be able to test everybody, so we are bound to reach a point where people with mild symptoms will just innocently carry on as they would if they had a normal cold/mild flu, and it's from there where problems will balloon and where I believe restrictions, like have been implemented in Italy, will be used.'"
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That I believe is the scientific advice that the government have been given. They are trying to slow the virus down atm because;
The NHS are under the most pressure in the Winter months.
Ordinary flu is a seasonal Winter event.
It gets them closer to a vaccine for the virus. Probably another 9 months though.
and worst of all;
They can't afford a large segment of the population to become infected at the same time as it would basically shut the country down.
The next stage will be what China and Italy have done. Close schools, cancel sports events and large gatherings, restrict travel movement etc etc. Large banks and trading houses have already rented new office space where they can move to if/when they get infections in their current offices. So I would guess all areas of 'essential services' have their plans to keep working as well.
Perhaps we might be lucky and the virus will fade away to a low level of infection as the Spring arrives but as this thing has twice the transmission rate of flu, I suspect not.
I have just noticed that the price of oil has dropped by 25%. I can't remember a fall as big as that. Not good.
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| Quote: morleys_deckchair "i had a 2 week work trip to the US cancelled... and now as a classified 'work from home' job role, i am being made to work from home for the next 6 weeks... its been great for me so far.'"
You eating a lot of donuts whilst sat at home, and drinking beer?
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