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Quote: sally cinnamon "So Hill, Cooper and Westwood did not play at this level during the TS era?'"


Not towards the end of Smith’s tenure they didn’t.

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Dead right ... Hill, Cooper & Westwood are better than last year.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "So Hill, Cooper and Westwood did not play at this level during the TS era?'"

Dont know where you got that from?
Nobody on here has give that indication, never mind say as much.
The total TS pack have never hit the heights of the pack he inherited, full or in part under the TS tendure.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Dont know where you got that from?
Nobody on here has give that indication, never mind say as much.
The total TS pack have never hit the heights of the pack he inherited, full or in part under the TS tendure.'"


The pack peaked around 2010-12, it didn't peak in the Lowes or Cullen era.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "The pack peaked around 2010-12, it didn't peak in the Lowes or Cullen era.'"

This is true.
Nobody said otherwise to that either.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "The pack peaked around 2010-12, it didn't peak in the Lowes or Cullen era.'"


To be honest we never really looked to rebuild that from 2014-18, with likes of Cox, Bailey, England et al. Whether that was lack of quality forwards available I’m not sure, but looking back the recruitment was entrusted to one man a little too much. Maybe it should have involved someone else, but I’m sure we’ll be better for the experience anyway.

PS this is not a dig at the previous regime just a postulation.

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Quote: easyWire "To be honest we never really looked to rebuild that from 2014-18, with likes of Cox, Bailey, England et al. Whether that was lack of quality forwards available I’m not sure, but looking back the recruitment was entrusted to one man a little too much. Maybe it should have involved someone else, but I’m sure we’ll be better for the experience anyway.

PS this is not a dig at the previous regime just a postulation.'"

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no it is, and right so.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "The pack peaked around 2010-12, it didn't peak in the Lowes or Cullen era.'"


How many were Smith signings in say, 2011?

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From memory
Solomona Carvell Waterhouse

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....please correct if I'm wrong and add to it.

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Quote: Wires71 "How many were Smith signings in say, 2011?'"


They were signed under Cullen and Lowes but the point is that under TS they were playing at a much higher level than they did in 2007-09 when they had first joined.

Similarly when I I said above that I have been impressed with the improvement in Hughes, Clark, Hill this season...surely Price gets credit for this or do we have to say they are just "TS signings that he inherited".

One of the most encouraging things so far about Price (who I am feeling a lot more positive about now than when he was appointed) is that most of the improvement this season seems to be down to players that were already here playing at a higher level than last year plus the new structure he has brought to the team. It hasn't been down to new signings who with the noted exception of Charnley have been decent rather than transformational.

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Quote: rubber duckie "....please correct if I'm wrong and add to it.'"


Carvell was signed with Higham at the end of 2008 before Smith.

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Quote: easyWire "Carvell was signed with Higham at the end of 2008 before Smith.'"

Cheers thought he might have been early 2009.
I remember the charade.

So then just Waterhouse and Solomona then?

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I think it fare to say TS it all went down hill...with Captain Hill!

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Quote: easyWire "Carvell was signed with Higham at the end of 2008 before Smith.'"


Signed by James Lowes...... About the only good thing he did.

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