That picture was a mock up . I was trying to highlight the fact Penny should be pulling the defence across .

There is a local lad named Harvey Livett, who has all the requirements for Superleague, who in my opinion needs to be tested at the higher level now.

He can play Centre, Stand-Off, Winger & Back-row, with great handling & goal kicking skills

I was disappointed Smith didn`t play Harvey against Oldham in the Challenge Cup game against Oldham, in stead of Ormsby.

I'd have never of guessed.
I'm gonna change stands for next season, now I know I'm wasting my time standing at the east bus stand.

but that image highlighted Matt King rushing in needlessly on the Saints second rower (dark hair City fan name escapes me) leaving Penny split between Matt Gidley the best centre in the league at the time and Ade Gardner the top try scorer in the league at the time.....

My Recollection of those times IS Penny Constantly waving and shouting at his inside men to come across and on that occasion like many others it never came. So he's left with the choice of going for the man with the ball (the correct decision) and allowing Gardner the simple run in because Gidley was too good with his offloading.

so winger scores, means wingers fault under forum rules at the time.

obviously todays rules are different and when wingers score on Matty Russells wing its allowed because of his grafting mid field carries.


ahhhhh but they were happy days..........

So kps faults are due to occasionally the defensive line not moving across?? Seems as far fetched annexcuse as the saints fans giving him stick for not kicking on and realising his potential.

He is good but not good enough at the top end of the table. We dobt have a winger or centre that is even close to the England nz Oz team n that's not good enough imo.

If the flying pig had his head screwed on and played to his full potential week in week out then we would most definitely have a winger close to the England team.

Our best English wingers according to Bennett are from the 2 clubs at the wrong end of the league.

Is this a serious post? At that time he was an absolutely awful player, whose calamitous mistakes cost you numerous games and potentially trophies. What did Saints fans do that was disgraceful exactly? We got excited sure, a buzz went around the place when the ball neared Penny, particularly in the air. Watching him was similar to watching Jamie Lyon, almost every touch would result in something exciting happening. We laughed when he made his numerous errors, we chanted 'There's only one Kevin Penny'. Are you telling me that you wouldn't react in a similar fashion if we couldn't ever win at the HJ because Mark Percival kept knocking on and gifting you tries? I'm struggling to see what happened that was a disgrace, Penny's performances aside.

Do you have a link for this one please DRH? Can't see anything in the public domain.

I know you've had nothing to shout about of late bar one miraculous season but is that a serious post....?

Kevin penny was in the dream team scoring a try a game burning players off for fun and despite having been playing the game for about two years...!

it was this rise added to the fact Wire fans had started to sing "there's only one Kevin Penny" that when he made a high profile knock on (i'll leave you to see whose ball it was in the first place his or Matt kings) it gave rise to the saints fans chanting the same thing.....you know in a similar way we sing its always our year....when its clearly not....

he scored tries Ade Gardner couldnt..... he even made Jonathan davies Say "Jesus" live on BBC when he goosed Gardner Gidley and Wellens to score in the corner...(ok Wellens so what).. the Great Ray French among others compared him to Martin Offiah......... you don't get that type of comparison every week.

again like I said at the time no one ever sang a mocking, there's only one Richie Barnett when he made an error because we all knew he was genuinely rubbish and we'd likely join in.

its the deluded nonsense that makes me despair... you think Kevin Penny single handedly cost us trophies

Without Kevin Penny this season we dont win away at Catalan a week after a wembley loss (which he wasnt in the squad for) .... which was a huge step to finishing top of the league, where we then go to old trafford and lose like we have been doing a number of times without Kevin Penny making these trophy losing cock ups thank you very much.....

and yes we'd sing there is only one Mark Percival if he finished top of the try scoring charts made the dream team scored wonder tries against us regularly, scored screamers against every one in the league and was billed "the next Mal Meninga" otherwise we'll say "mark who, which ones that?"

as you can see Im in the Kevin Penny camp, i spend my money and I want something no one else gives us... there's a ton of Mark Percivals up and down the leagues......

TFB I wouldn't waste your time. There are clearly 2 camps, those who want to be entertained when they watch rugby and those that want "safety". Saddened, of course, is a Saints fan. You know, Saints the self styled "entertainers". Their team however wouldn't know entertaining rugby if it hit them in the face.
It is strange how people have a selective memory, they forget Matt King being ragged around in his first season, he was forgiven all manner of mistakes as an Aussie international, so when he left KP high and dry they blamed the rookie.
I maintain with the right mentoring he would have been a consistent performer at the highest level.

"Awful player"? When did Saints last have a winger that could score the sort of tries that KP was scoring at the time?

Mal Meninga. The best damn winger I ever saw.

We had Brimah Kebbie at one stage. He could run very fast if he finally managed to catch the ball. Darren Albert was probably faster and a whole lot better than Penny. Still no one has answered what Saints fans did that was a disgrace?

Spend a Penny in those Knowsley Road toilets!!!